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Zappykins on 07 June 2013
Adinnieken said:

I honestly believe Microsoft will be offering a partnership with Gamefly for instant game rentals via Xbox Live.  If not, offering their own rental service.

That would be a neat thing for many people!

So Gamefly would really be the Netflix of gaming - where you could stream a game a month or something like that.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

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Zappykins on 07 June 2013
disolitude said:

While there is nothing wrong with people looking at lowest cost of ownership for an experience, regardless of features, people do tend forget that extra features like this which they have to pay extra for don't cancel the existing features which are already known to deliver the goods and don't occur any extra cost.

 

Here is an image I like to refer to esplaining this:

 

I think the gaming community has a beef with Xbox One in general as it isn't solely focused on gaming and they completely disregard that it most likely will be one hell of a gaming console without all the TV stuff. The problem is that focusing on existing features and users doesn't expand markets, and the moment youre not growing and expanding a market, you are seen as dead in the corporate world. 

Ha ha ha! I may have to put that chart in my footer, lol!

I think many people posting here don't know how well the ol' Xbox 360 + Kinect already works to a good extent in this 'find me something to watch' way.  You can "Xbox, Bing Alfred Hitchcock" and see a whole bunch of Movies, TV, shows, etc.  It shows you what is available, and where you can find it.  It's not perfect, but still really useful, and beats having to search through 10,000 apps.

This is the current system, and the new one, with more power, foccus and innovation, should only be better.  It is an excieting time.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!
Adinnieken on 07 June 2013
Zappykins said:
Adinnieken said:
 

I honestly believe Microsoft will be offering a partnership with Gamefly for instant game rentals via Xbox Live.  If not, offering their own rental service.

That would be a neat thing for many people!

So Gamefly would really be the Netflix of gaming - where you could stream a game a month or something like that.

It may be through RedBox, as another commenter said, but after yesterday's news they don't appear to have that ready to talk about.  Which, to be honest, was disappointing.  They really should have everything worked out already and yet it feels like they're shooting from the hip.



Nem on 07 June 2013
thranx said:


I didnt say anything about price.

You said that they weren't making the xbox one a game machine. I merely showed how you are wrong about that, if the xbox one isn't good for games neither is the PS4 as they will have the same games.

 

Whats the price of the PS4? Whats the price of teh xbox one? With out knowing either one there is no point in comparing pricing. It will all be made up.


Ah this got a bit crossed. That was what the other poster was trying to do. You probably shouldnt have replied to me not knowing the converstation that was going on. :P



Nem on 07 June 2013
Zappykins said:
disolitude said:
 

While there is nothing wrong with people looking at lowest cost of ownership for an experience, regardless of features, people do tend forget that extra features like this which they have to pay extra for don't cancel the existing features which are already known to deliver the goods and don't occur any extra cost.

 

Here is an image I like to refer to esplaining this:

 

I think the gaming community has a beef with Xbox One in general as it isn't solely focused on gaming and they completely disregard that it most likely will be one hell of a gaming console without all the TV stuff. The problem is that focusing on existing features and users doesn't expand markets, and the moment youre not growing and expanding a market, you are seen as dead in the corporate world. 

Ha ha ha! I may have to put that chart in my footer, lol!

I think many people posting here don't know how well the ol' Xbox 360 + Kinect already works to a good extent in this 'find me something to watch' way.  You can "Xbox, Bing Alfred Hitchcock" and see a whole bunch of Movies, TV, shows, etc.  It shows you what is available, and where you can find it.  It's not perfect, but still really useful, and beats having to search through 10,000 apps.

This is the current system, and the new one, with more power, foccus and innovation, should only be better.  It is an excieting time.

 


That graph is wrong you know? Its assuming "awesome gaming features" are the same, when they arent. The blue portion on the PS4 should be bigger than the Xbox 1. As to the why, read my posts on this thread.



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binary solo on 07 June 2013

I'm not seeing anything particularly compelling here. Why should I buy Xbone in order to see content I can already see? Because I won't need to switch between HDMI1 and HDMI2 on my TV? And I can use voice/gestures instead of a remote control? And I should somehow see that as worth $6-700(NZD).

Oh is has games too? Well why didn't you tell me that!

If people think the TV/movie thing is going to sell Xbone to people they are deluded. Games will sell Xbone, and the DRM thing is making the game side of Xbone a bit less attractive to a lot of people. You can't change the world if people don't buy your product.



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thranx on 07 June 2013
Nem said:
Zappykins said:

Ha ha ha! I may have to put that chart in my footer, lol!

I think many people posting here don't know how well the ol' Xbox 360 + Kinect already works to a good extent in this 'find me something to watch' way.  You can "Xbox, Bing Alfred Hitchcock" and see a whole bunch of Movies, TV, shows, etc.  It shows you what is available, and where you can find it.  It's not perfect, but still really useful, and beats having to search through 10,000 apps.

This is the current system, and the new one, with more power, foccus and innovation, should only be better.  It is an excieting time.

 


That graph is wrong you know? Its assuming "awesome gaming features" are the same, when they arent. The blue portion on the PS4 should be bigger than the Xbox 1. As to the why, read my posts on this thread.


You still havent given any reasons why they arent on par gaming wise. I showed you how they were, and all you talked about was pricing and if its worth it (mind you we dont know pricing yet for either sytem). So please show me how the xbox one is less f a gaming system than the ps4.



Nem on 07 June 2013
thranx said:
 


You still havent given any reasons why they arent on par gaming wise. I showed you how they were, and all you talked about was pricing and if its worth it (mind you we dont know pricing yet for either sytem). So please show me how the xbox one is less f a gaming system than the ps4.


Look you jumped in a conversation that was already happening. If you didnt read the whole thing its not my fault. Go back and do that.

The fact of the matter is the gaming features arent the same because they charge you extra. The most glaring example is having to pay for multiplayer or having to buy a battery because it doesnt come included with the gamepad. That lowers the gaming value of Xbox1 because you have to pay more for those features than you would on the PS4. The whole conversation on this thread and that graph is about Value. Money is value last i checked.

Theres also a full fledged core option wich is remote play anywhere with the Vita wich the Xbox1 doesnt have. So even if you to ignore the obvious value of money, the PS4 has gaming features the Xbox1 doesnt have. I could add to that how its more powerful aswell and will be able to produce better graphics.



thranx on 07 June 2013
Nem said:
thranx said:
Nem said:
Zappykins said:

Ha ha ha! I may have to put that chart in my footer, lol!

I think many people posting here don't know how well the ol' Xbox 360 + Kinect already works to a good extent in this 'find me something to watch' way.  You can "Xbox, Bing Alfred Hitchcock" and see a whole bunch of Movies, TV, shows, etc.  It shows you what is available, and where you can find it.  It's not perfect, but still really useful, and beats having to search through 10,000 apps.

This is the current system, and the new one, with more power, foccus and innovation, should only be better.  It is an excieting time.

 


That graph is wrong you know? Its assuming "awesome gaming features" are the same, when they arent. The blue portion on the PS4 should be bigger than the Xbox 1. As to the why, read my posts on this thread.


You still havent given any reasons why they arent on par gaming wise. I showed you how they were, and all you talked about was pricing and if its worth it (mind you we dont know pricing yet for either sytem). So please show me how the xbox one is less f a gaming system than the ps4.


Look you jumped in a conversation that was already happening. If you didnt read the whole thing its not my fault. Go back and do that.

The fact of the matter is the gaming features arent the same because they charge you extra. The most glaring example is having to play for multiplayer or having to buy a battery because it doesnt come included with the gamepad. That lowers the gaming value of Xbox1 because you have to pay more for those features than you would on the PS4. The whole conversation on this thread and that graph is about Value. Money is value last i checked.

Theres also a full fledged core option wich is remote play anywhere with the Vita wich the Xbox1 doesnt have. So even if you to ignore the obvious value of money, the PS4 has gaming features the Xbox1 doesnt have.

I have read it. Again you come down to price in your post. we dont know price yet. no point in talking about it. on a gaming front you will get the same multiplat games as this gen, the same exclusives (maybe more). how is it not on par with the ps4? The xbox one has cloud computing, the ability for split screen games to change depedning on where your friends are sitting, and lets you play your games from any xbox one you are logged into. The xbox one has feature the ps4 does not also, and they both will have the same games. So they are both capable gameing machines. please show me how they are not, and please dont talk about price as we do not know that yet. No point in talking about something that we would have to use made up numbers for.



disolitude on 07 June 2013
Nem said:
Zappykins said:
disolitude said:
 

While there is nothing wrong with people looking at lowest cost of ownership for an experience, regardless of features, people do tend forget that extra features like this which they have to pay extra for don't cancel the existing features which are already known to deliver the goods and don't occur any extra cost.

 

Here is an image I like to refer to esplaining this:

 

I think the gaming community has a beef with Xbox One in general as it isn't solely focused on gaming and they completely disregard that it most likely will be one hell of a gaming console without all the TV stuff. The problem is that focusing on existing features and users doesn't expand markets, and the moment youre not growing and expanding a market, you are seen as dead in the corporate world. 

Ha ha ha! I may have to put that chart in my footer, lol!

I think many people posting here don't know how well the ol' Xbox 360 + Kinect already works to a good extent in this 'find me something to watch' way.  You can "Xbox, Bing Alfred Hitchcock" and see a whole bunch of Movies, TV, shows, etc.  It shows you what is available, and where you can find it.  It's not perfect, but still really useful, and beats having to search through 10,000 apps.

This is the current system, and the new one, with more power, foccus and innovation, should only be better.  It is an excieting time.

 


That graph is wrong you know? Its assuming "awesome gaming features" are the same, when they arent. The blue portion on the PS4 should be bigger than the Xbox 1. As to the why, read my posts on this thread.

I supposed you see it more like this? Awesomeness is anabsolute value in your mind? 

There can be a limited amount of awesome and Xbox has decided to dedicate 50% of that awesome to TV and extra features while sony is giving most of its awesome to gaming?

 

 

Bottom line is that XB1 could even be a better gaming system than PS4 and have the extra features. No one really knows. But the general assumption around here is that PS4 = gaming, while Xbox = just TV.