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disolitude on 01 June 2013
pezus said:
disolitude said:
pezus said:

Oh, you meant disk swaps when intending to play a new game? That is hardly an issue

It is not an issue if there is no better option, but I can't see anyone with semi working internet saying:

"Yes I'd like to swap disks for the rest of my life every time i'd like to play a game and risk loosing the ability to play the game if they scratch. I don't want to authenticate once with Sony's server over the internet and be done with disk swapping forever"

 

A blu-ray disk scratching? That's something I've yet to see or hear about.

I don't see anyone with only a semi working internet (or, heck, someone with a very bad or no internet at all) saying, when their internet goes down: "Man, at least I never have to swap disks. Better no games for a while than swapping disks like once a week."

Once a week eh...Idont know about that.

Its pretty clear that a lot of people have no clue how DRM should work. "Always on"I agree, its annoying as hell and I wouldnt really want that myself. However there is absolutely nothing wrong with Steam like DRM, which has you register once online and move on with your life.

Anyone with internet, even "bad" internet folks which seems to be half od this site all of a suddenly should prefer that over disk swapping. But I bet if I made a poll, it would indicate otherwise...

So its either lack of lnowledge or downright trolling.



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crissindahouse on 01 June 2013
pezus said:

That's unless you count low speed as a problem ;o

my low speed is a problem but not for some online verification which is maybe 10kb in data^^



crissindahouse on 01 June 2013
pezus said:
disolitude said:
pezus said:

Oh, you meant disk swaps when intending to play a new game? That is hardly an issue

It is not an issue if there is no better option, but I can't see anyone with semi working internet saying:

"Yes I'd like to swap disks for the rest of my life every time i'd like to play a game and risk loosing the ability to play the game if they scratch. I don't want to authenticate once with Sony's server over the internet and be done with disk swapping forever"

 

A blu-ray disk scratching? That's something I've yet to see or hear about.

I don't see anyone with only a semi working internet (or, heck, someone with a very bad or no internet at all) saying, when their internet goes down: "Man, at least I never have to swap disks. Better no games for a while than swapping disks like once a week."

i have semi working internet and i say that. like i said in my other quote of you, a verification will be maybe 10kb in data or let's say 500kb, why should i ever even recognize that? 

and if i would have a problem with used games market, internet connection for updates, game installs and all of that i would be never a steam user. but i really like steam and i believe you as well. but steam is horrible if you think about that. 



theprof00 on 01 June 2013
disolitude said:
theprof00 said:
disolitude said:
pezus said:
Lafiel said:
JerCotter7 said:
disolitude said:
This means that PS4 is either going to require manual disk swaps as disks themselves are going to enforce the DRM for the installed game, or will be pirates wet dream.


Of course it will require disk swaps. I don't see how that's even a bad thing. Takes about 5 seconds.

"disk swapping" was one of the things PS3 had over 360 in the flame wars, so that this argument now seems to do a 180 makes me smile :D

Yeah, and now every One game has to be installed. Lol, the reversal is funny.


As will every retail PS4 game...

For me its not disk swapping that is the issue, its disks in general. For someone that lives in a trendy but small condo in Downtown Toronto, and wants to put together a seamles entertainment unit which is used for multiple purposes including gaming, there really is no room for piles of disks on the wall and on the ground while I am gaming.

Options are good and hopefully PS4 has an option to install a game and verify DRM online as I really don't plan to continue gaming using disks as the medium. To me disks are a distribution device and can pretty much go in the garbage once a game is installed on your profile and saved in the cloud...

there's always something. It wasn't two days ago that you said sony would do the same thing as MS.

You berated them for that, and then now for not doing it.


Dont make stuff up... I may have said they will do the same but I wouldnt "berate" them for it. I actually want them to introduce installs and online registration of games. It will at least show they get the 21st century digital consumption model and are striving to create a viable ecosystem

You are right, I had you confused with another person



Lafiel on 01 June 2013
disolitude said:


Dont make stuff up... I may have said they will do the same but I wouldnt "berate" them for it. I actually want them to introduce installs and online registration of games. It will at least show they get the 21st century digital consumption model and are striving to create a viable ecosystem

as JerCotter7 already pointed out there is a possibility to have just that on PS4 (and PS3, PSV, PSP,..)

by simply buying the digital versions



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disolitude on 01 June 2013
Lafiel said:
disolitude said:


Dont make stuff up... I may have said they will do the same but I wouldnt "berate" them for it. I actually want them to introduce installs and online registration of games. It will at least show they get the 21st century digital consumption model and are striving to create a viable ecosystem

as JerCotter7 already pointed out there is a possibility to have just that on PS4 (and PS3, PSV, PSP,..)

simply buying the digital versions


And X360 while youre listing consoles...

That is fine and a viable option. I do have 2 slight issues with it:

1. Retail disk sales may be cheaper drom time to time, especially with older games. Buying only digital has me stuck to PSN pricing...

2. This creates a fragmented ecosystem in terms of game ownership, no different than current gen. Not sure how that would work actually... Games I bought digitally would be tied to my gamer ID, but the ones I buy at retail wouldn't? When it comes to those extra next gen features like game streaming on to PS Vita, do I have to keep the disc in and my PS4 on at all times if I bought a retail game? How otherwise will PSN know I own this game and am allowed to stream it to my Vita using Gaikai?



daredevil.shark on 01 June 2013

I was thinking to switch pc + wii u combo if both son and msoft abandons used games. Mark cerny has made it clear I will go with ps4 + pc combo.



Lafiel on 01 June 2013
disolitude said:


And X360 while youre listing consoles...

 

When it comes to those extra next gen features like game streaming on to PS Vita, do I have to keep the disc in and my PS4 on at all times if I bought a retail game? How otherwise will PSN know I own this game and am allowed to stream it to my Vita using Gaikai?

In the post I was repsonding to you seemed to be talking about Sony, so I listed Sony devices.

As for PS4 game streaming, that may use protocols etc developed by Gaikai for better streaming, but it's not using Gaikai (the cloud gaming streaming service). The streaming is done from your own PS4 , so I imagine you can only stream what you have installed on and/or inside your PS4 console.



thismeintiel on 01 June 2013
disolitude said:
thismeintiel said:
disolitude said:
pezus said:

Yeah, and now every One game has to be installed. Lol, the reversal is funny.


As will every retail PS4 game...

For me its not disk swapping that is the issue, its disks in general. For someone that lives in a trendy but small condo in Downtown Toronto, and wants to put together a seamles entertainment unit which is used for multiple purposes including gaming, there really is no room for piles of disks on the wall and on the ground while I am gaming.

Options are good and hopefully PS4 has an option to install a game and verify DRM online as I really don't plan to continue gaming using disks as the medium. To me disks are a distribution device and can pretty much go in the garbage once a game is installed on your profile and saved in the cloud...

Lol, I would love to see your source for the bolded.

Also, there is a big difference between swapping discs to play a completely different game and swapping discs to continue to play the same game.  Not that the latter is a HUGE deal.  I am glad, however, that Blu-ray has done away with that slight inconvenience.

I dont have a source but I have common sense. Do you know what 1080p resolution and textures loading time would be like off a 6x speed bluray drive? Without a game install PS4 will have 8gb of GDDR5 ram, being spoonfed with data 20 MB at a time. Yum!

Bluray by itself is an inconvenience in 2013 when it comes to gaming.

Well, common sense tells me that if Uncharted 1-3 and Killzone 2&3 (there are others, as well) don't require an install at 720p, 512MB of RAM, and a 2x Bluray drive, I think ND and GG can pull off a game without one at 1080p, 8GB of RAM, and a 6x drive.



 

thismeintiel on 01 June 2013
disolitude said:
pezus said:
disolitude said:
pezus said:

Oh, you meant disk swaps when intending to play a new game? That is hardly an issue

It is not an issue if there is no better option, but I can't see anyone with semi working internet saying:

"Yes I'd like to swap disks for the rest of my life every time i'd like to play a game and risk loosing the ability to play the game if they scratch. I don't want to authenticate once with Sony's server over the internet and be done with disk swapping forever"

 

A blu-ray disk scratching? That's something I've yet to see or hear about.

I don't see anyone with only a semi working internet (or, heck, someone with a very bad or no internet at all) saying, when their internet goes down: "Man, at least I never have to swap disks. Better no games for a while than swapping disks like once a week."

Once a week eh...Idont know about that.

Its pretty clear that a lot of people have no clue how DRM should work. "Always on"I agree, its annoying as hell and I wouldnt really want that myself. However there is absolutely nothing wrong with Steam like DRM, which has you register once online and move on with your life.

Anyone with internet, even "bad" internet folks which seems to be half od this site all of a suddenly should prefer that over disk swapping. But I bet if I made a poll, it would indicate otherwise...

So its either lack of lnowledge or downright trolling.

And what about the people with NO internet.  You know, they do exist.  Even in the US.