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oni-link said:
Suke said:
I never consider the Wii U to be in the XboxOne and PS4 race, I always saw the Wii brand as its own thing and that what I love it about it. Even thought its rare most of the time, it always offer something different compare to the other consoles. I always found the PS3 and 360 as mostly similar with some noticeable different, which always annoyed me a bit.


I know...despite the fact that one faction (Sony fans and MS fans) clamoring one system was more powerful than the others there was no clear cut diffrence.  In fact, after picking up the X360s as my second console; it gave me no reason to pick up the PS3 as they offered the same exact experience espcially in multi-plat games.  This gen I am a bit confused on what to pick up PS4 or XB1 for my second system for multi-plats though.


I'm mainly a Sony and Nintendo guy, but now, I'm really starting to feel a bit overwhelm. As if I have to play this game just because its getting so much press even though the game end up being mediocre at best most of the time. I'm mainly a exclusive kind of guy. Not only that but gaming became even more complicated then ever and I feel next gen will get even worst.



Don’t follow the hype, follow the games

— 

Here a little quote I want for those to keep memorize in your head for this coming next gen.                            

 By: Suke

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oni-link said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
oni-link said:

“The Wii U GPU is several generations ahead of the current gen. It allows many things that were not possible on consoles before. If you develop for Wii U you have to take advantage of these possibilities, otherwise your performance is of course limited. Also your engine layout needs to be different. You need to take advantage of the large shared memory of the Wii U, the huge and very fast EDRAM section and the big CPU caches in the cores. Especially the workings of the CPU caches are very important to master. Otherwise you can lose a magnitude of power for cache relevant parts of your code. In the end the Wii U specs fit perfectly together and make a very efficient console when used right.”

http://hdwarriors.com/wii-u-specs-fit-perfectly-together-gpu-several-generations-ahead-of-current-gen/

This along with statements that by Criterion Games, 5th Cell, and Trine 2 develper Frozenbyte studios that the Wii U definitely pushes past it's current weight class if developer used the system properly should appease current WiiU owners (while disgusting the Wii U haters).  My opinion, the Wii U is transitional in terms of hardware; akin to the Dreamcast.  It has the potential to be more capable than the current-gen systems PS360; yet won't be as powerful as the upcoming gen.  So what's your take?  Please no flaming or trolling so play nice.

Akin to the dreamcast....I hope not...

lol...in terms of hardware capabilities contrasting it to PS360 and PS4/XB1.   I think 3DS (Wii U) vs PSP (PS360) is actually a much better comparison since early 3DS games (before RE:R) didn't show much of an improvement (even worse in some cases) than the PSP.  You could say that about PS4/XB1 being the Vita compared to Wii U (3DS) as well in the upcoming console war.

Now it's moar confusing...



 



Dreamcast was a massive visual leap over the PS1/N64 and held it's own against the PS2 initially (later PS2 games blow the DC capabilities out of the water, but DC development ceased barely 2 years into the systems life so we'll never know what could have been fully achieved with the system).

Wii U is currently on par. I think the 3DS vs PSP comparison is more valid personally.

Personally so long as they give me games I don't care. Sonic Lost World looks awesome and I'm not really tied to hardware like most people.

Dreamcast followed by GCN were my fave systems in the pre HD gen, PS3 has been my favourite this gen and next gen it's currently all to play for.



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oni-link said:
Soleron said:

If we're defining generation by time, it's current gen

If we're defining generation by class of hardware power, it's last-gen

No one defines generation by how difficult it is to extract all the performance, like the article implies. If that were true, PS3 is part of the twenty-third generation.


So are you trying to say the 3DS is last gen hardware wise?  Since looking at specs on paper it's quite close to the PSP yet pushes past it (albeit not as conclusive) after a year or two:


for comparison's sake here is the 3DS vs Vita (which will be like the Wii U and PS4/XB1 spec comparison):



I always thought it is a well-designed console with very much power but the problem is that bigN didn't want to compete with Xbone/P$4. I think it will be the same as with Wii: mostly lazy ports, some devs will show that WiiU is of course ahead of P$3/360.



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I think we may have finally reached the conclusion that Wii U is more powerful than PS360 but less powerful than PS4/XBOne. So we won't see any more of these discussions? Cool.



@mikerox

EUREKA!!!!  I'm surprised that no one else made the comparison before.  The PSP vs 3DS capability was discussed very similar to the PS360 vs Wii U, in which the 3DS didn't show much improvement over the PSP (in some cases some games looked worse) until recently or until RE:Rev was released.



So it's either current gen or it's way-in-the-future-gen. Okay.

On a serious note, "If you develop for Wii U you have to take advantage of these possibilities, otherwise your performance is of course limited. Also your engine layout needs to be different," is likely at the core of the problem thus far. I think, even if the Wii U gets next gen multi-plats, they're going to be gimped much like the early PS3 versions. Not always, of course, because PS3 versions were on par more often than not, but now and then a very bad optimization will slip through that will probably make the Wii U look weaker than it actually is.



TheLastStarFighter said:
I think we may have finally reached the conclusion that Wii U is more powerful than PS360 but less powerful than PS4/XBOne. So we won't see any more of these discussions? Cool.

I hope so...but with people like ahem*Ninjablade* ahem these types of discussion will rage on until the next...next generation.



They obviously mean video graphics card generation, not console.