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Forums - Gaming - The industry is driving me crazy and why Nintendo are a great example of "doing things right"

Fusioncode on 28 May 2013
Carl2291 said:
bananaking21 said:
"Why does the videogame industry have to be the only industry where the big players are trying to screw over the consumer? I mean, second hand CDs have never hurt the music industry enough for them to be stopped, with online offerings generally cheaper than offerings in stores. Second hand DVDs have never hurt the movie industry enough for them to be stopped. "

its because DVD's and CD's dont cost 60 bucks. if every brand new game was 30$ instead of 60$ then a lot of people would buy games brand new, and they would buy more games. but the problem is a game, whether its a 100$ budget game or Fifa, it costs 60$ bucks. we are seeing a better pricing model on the Vita and online stores like steam. why do you think everybody loves steam? the prices of games on there is very reasonable.

Steam is the perfect example of not trying to fuck over the consumer.

Game prices on Steam are unbelievable. Its why Steam does so well and its why publishers and developers love the service.

PSN? Xbox Live? Good luck with that. Game prices on PSN and Live are generally the same as retail. If publishers and developers had even the smallest bit of decency then games on DD services would always be cheaper than at retail.

I mean, Mass Effect 3 on PSN is ~£50. Mass Effect 3 to buy at a store is £12.99.

I don'y think that MS and Sony are to blame for the high prices of digital games. They let the publisher pick the prices and decide when they want the game to drop in price. Which is stupid considering EA could make much more profit from selling games digitally than from retail, but they shoot themselves in the foot with their pricing so everyone goes with retail. 



Sigs are dumb. And so are you!

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Mensrea on 28 May 2013

I think the problem really is the price of games. 60 bucks is a lot of money, and with cheap mobile games getting better and better, it's harder for people to spend that much. Steamlike prices need to be in effect pronto. The industry needs to stop making such bloated games, charge a reasonable price, and just stop attacking the consumer.




fordy on 28 May 2013
Carl2291 said:

Why does the videogame industry have to be the only industry where the big players are trying to screw over the consumer? 


Uh, what?

What about Monsanto? What about Koch Industries? What about the Sony music CD rootkit debacle?

Industry doesn't directly care if they screw over the consumer or not; the only thing they worry about is if it would hurt their bottom line. Industry would murder people if there was profit to be made in it.....



TheKingofRedLions on 28 May 2013
HikenNoAce said:
Region-locking and half-year long droughts = doing things right.

the Xone is region locked as well



TripleMMM on 28 May 2013

Hey, Carl2291, did you get my message that I wrote on your wall? Sorry if it's hard to read, was on my iPod at the time, had to give the PC to someone for a while, bastard of a pod really doesn't do what I want... >:(



 And proud member of the Mega Mario Movement!
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NintendoPie on 28 May 2013

First off, I'm pleased to see that you wrote this, Carl. You delivered the OP and main idea very well.

However, Nintendo is not really an angel. Now, I'm not saying that you said that, but I'm just stating things. How do we not know that Nintendo won't want to implement this? Nintendo was late to the "party" before, maybe they'll just be late again? Who knows, but if this DRM crap and pushing DLC becomes the main stream in the market (You know, like HD graphics and super fast always-online did last-gen, which Nintendo is currently trying to implement this gen) then Nintendo just might crumble beneath the "main-stream." And they might just implement these dandy "features."

I'm hoping that doesn't happen, because I really don't want Nintendo and (most) of the rest of the gaming industry to crash and burn, but you can't really dis-prove my point, can you? I can't really tell the future, though...



TripleMMM on 29 May 2013
NintendoPie said:
First off, I'm pleased to see that you wrote this, Carl. You delivered the OP and main idea very well.

However, Nintendo is not really an angel. Now, I'm not saying that you said that, but I'm just stating things. How do we not know that Nintendo won't want to implement this? Nintendo was late to the "party" before, maybe they'll just be late again? Who knows, but if this DRM crap and pushing DLC becomes the main stream in the market (You know, like HD graphics and super fast always-online did last-gen, which Nintendo is currently trying to implement this gen) then Nintendo just might crumble beneath the "main-stream." And they might just implement these dandy "features."

I'm hoping that doesn't happen, because I really don't want Nintendo and (most) of the rest of the gaming industry to crash and burn, but you can't really dis-prove my point, can you? I can't really tell the future, though...

Seriously Npie, you putting the bullet in my head! I already have that thought like someone is having a barrel infront of my eyes, playing russian roullette, making me mad about that one chance!



 And proud member of the Mega Mario Movement!
HikenNoAce on 29 May 2013
HikenNoAce said:
Region-locking and half-year long droughts = doing things right.

Its pretty tough for a company, even one with as much talent as Nintendo, to keep 2 platforms supported with new games every Month.

There is a reason why I highlighted software. The handling of Nintendo hardware has been quite poor in the last 2-3 Years.


Well, Sony seems to be managing the PS3 while having announced a lot of PS4 games already. They also have a fair few number of games for the Vita in 2013. And there's a lot of new IPs as well. Not just more of the same.



burninmylight on 29 May 2013
noname2200 said:

You're seeing the effect, and ignoring the cause. Mid-tier games have disappeared because their source of funding has dried up: the big publishers are far more interested in only funding the high-end titles, and are increasingly expressing open disinterest in anything else. The pattern you're identifying of established market players retreating to the higher-end market has been repeated endlessly in the past, and will be repeated in the future.

I'm with you on Steam though. Never really saw the difference myself.

Regarding Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft titles, there is nothing unfair in the comparison, and I can't see where you're coming from.


I kept saying this to myself over and over again while playinig Viewtiful Joe 2 a couple of months ago. That game would have never made it past the water cooler if it didn't come out before 2005.

The eradication of mid-tier games, devs and publishers is what upsets me most about the direction of the industry in the past few years. It feels like we're going to be left with few options outside of either the AAA titles from the penthouse publishers or the indie efforts that get ported over from mobile.



Carl on 29 May 2013
HikenNoAce said:

Well, Sony seems to be managing the PS3 while having announced a lot of PS4 games already. They also have a fair few number of games for the Vita in 2013. And there's a lot of new IPs as well. Not just more of the same.


How did they do in 2012, supporting both PS3 and Vita? I know they released a few low selling games and a bunch of collections. 

What significant release was there?

fordy said:

Uh, what?

What about Monsanto? What about Koch Industries? What about the Sony music CD rootkit debacle?

Industry doesn't directly care if they screw over the consumer or not; the only thing they worry about is if it would hurt their bottom line. Industry would murder people if there was profit to be made in it.....

Monsato and Koch Industries, I had never even heard of. I guess it shows my ignorance on the subject outside of videogames