...yet comments from devs has varied from "Yeahm it's great (and also we are huge Nintendo devs and without them would be sunk)", to "It's aweful (and we are not a Nintnedo dev company and don't have to watch what we say)". Now which do you think are telling the truth?

The lack of numbers is as I said, a bad sign and reinforces the latter comments from those devs. Kz:SF is good enough to start with. The DX11 features is next gen (tesselation, material reflections, particles etc), and about 2 PC games have these options due to everything being multiplatform nowadays.

...yet comments from devs has varied from "Yeahm it's great (and also we are huge Nintendo devs and without them would be sunk)", to "It's aweful (and we are not a Nintnedo dev company and don't have to watch what we say)". Now which do you think are telling the truth?

The lack of numbers is as I said, a bad sign and reinforces the latter comments from those devs. Kz:SF is good enough to start with. The DX11 features is next gen (tesselation, material reflections, particles etc), and about 2 PC games have these options due to everything being multiplatform nowadays.

Ii you are talking about EA, well they are just filthy liars, who squeeze every cent out of people via DLC and other ways they find to screw us.

Plus recently they have flip flop and said that the Wi U is a next gen console alongside with the PS4 & ONE, so who's to say that Metro & others won't do the same and start saying that the Wii U is next gen like the PS4 & ONE, which is something these 3rd parties have been saying most recently now that the PS4 & ONE reveal, well now they say that the Wii U is next gen (the same 3rd parties who use to say the opposite until just recently).

I think it's just best to wait and see what games get ported in the next 12 months.

I just wanted to say stuff about EA that everyone else seems to be thinking about that greedy company. So you can ignore my rant. I just wanted to clear up what EA has been saying.

I'm not talking about EA. Actual devs have said this and their publishers have rushed to the press to do damage control because their comments have been that brutal.

Got any links to these comments as I sure as heck have not seen them, and from knowing the specs, it is not in the same league as the other two which is why it managed to come out earlier. Just look at the cpu. The ps4 & xbox1 run an 8 core which for the first time ever, is actually going to be fully utilised (finally!), yet the wiiu only has a tricore. Also the xbox1 and PS4 have the same/very similar architecture to make porting somthing of the past for devs in order to maximise game production, thus having to do a massive port job to a console that has less power is just going to be a pain and most likely a loss.

Well Metro has their engine run purely on the CPU for pretty much everything, which makes the Metro engine the most idiotic game Enigne ever made and used in the 21st centry.

The Wii U IBM CPU is most likely 4-core instead of 3-core and was clocked at around 1.25 GHz a core on pre-install firmware but now is clocked at a more higher clock speed on current firmware 3.0.0, and will most likely get firmware 4.0.0 this Summer.

Im not sure about the Xbox ONE, but I know the PS4 has a 8-core APU but tats not a CPU, it's more like a CPU/GPU hybrid, and they will most likely use at least 1-core at 800 MHz for GPU while having up to 7-cores be used as CPU underclock at 1.64 GHz a core.

But the time the PS4 & ONE come out, the Wii U will probably have its CPU clock as high as 1.60 GHz a core, but it will still be 3 or so cores short of how many the PS4 will use for CPU from its APU.

I know GPGPU is a good thing to use, but I don't know the quality of APU technology. But I do know that AMD has the worst CPUs & worst APUs with the worst architecture while IBM has some of the best CPUs with some of the best architecture. The reason why Sony uses AMD is because it is the cheapest 3rd party CPUs & APUs, and Sony hasn't known anything about technology since around 2008. So things between processing power between the PS4 & Wii U might not be that much of a gap, but the PS4 will still process more at the end of the day, just maybe not as much as people think.

So by the time the PS4 & ONE comes out in October or November it will be a smaller gap then people currently think it will.

Besides the GPGPU is still responsible for almost all of the games quality, and the Wii U GPGPU gets clocked at 800 MHz when 1 GB of RAM go into it, which is how much that does go into it, plus the GPGPU in the Wii U only drains 2 Hz to 5 Hz of power when clocked at 800 MHz.

Plus the GPGPU does all the game physics mechanics, while the APU in the PS4 & ONE will have to use its cores that are use as a CPU to do such things as game physics mechanics and many other functionalities that could have been done by a GPGPU instead to save CPU a lot more processing power that can be used elsewhere. So as I said, the APU isnt giving the PS4 & ONE that much of advantage, at least by the time the Hardware is release because the Wii U will be beyond firmware 4.0.0 making the gap smaller then thought for functionality between the Wii U compare to PS4 & ONE, which gives people less reason to choose the new over the Wii U.

What should concern us the most is that if people didn't care about graphics when they bought the PS2 & Wii, then why would they care about anything having better graphics then the Wii U when they didn't care about Wii and even PS2 low quality graphics. Plus since they all have 800 MHz clocked GPUs, well the gap will be questionable. The PS4 & ONE will clearly do more then the Wii U but not as much as people think.

Plus today's gamers are at the point where they wait for a system to keep cheaper with a bigger library and higher firmware available for Donwload. This is where the Wii U has the sales advantage since it is currently $50 to $100 cheaper (depending on the model you get) and will have a much more bigger library of games with more wanted titles too by the time the other 2 Home Consoles come out, plus the Wii U also has the higher firmware of beyond 4.0 by the time the other 2 come out, so the sales this Q4 2K13 will show the Wii U doing good.....we just don't know which Home Console is going to sell the most during that time because 2 of them are launch Consoles and one of them is just barely releasing Pikmin & Mario & others for its own 1 year old console by Q4 2K13.

At least the competition is whipping out more power in Home Consoles, because Handheld Consoles is a different story: the PS Vita only does 140Mtriangle/s (35 million a core) while the 3DS GPU does 160Mtriangle/s (PICA200), plus the Vita GPU is 266 MHz while the 3DS GPU is 400 MHz and only drains 0.5 Hz at 400 MHz. The PS Vita & 3DS both have 4-core target up to 1 GHz CPUs, but the Vita uses a AMD CPU while the 3DS uses a non-AMD CPU which automatically makes the 3DS CPU (which is Nintendo ARM11) better. The Vita has a 512 MB RAM for 5XXp graphics while the 3DS has 128 MB RAM for 240p graphics which gives them both about e same amount of open world, except that the Vita RAM is way less efficient then the PS3 & 360 RAMs, while the 3DS RAM is way more efficient then the PS3 & 360 RAMs. So as I said Nintendo actually knows about technology while Sony plays the quantity & pricing game with their cheapness these past 5 or so years giving their Sony products crappy technology which explains why the non-American Vitas would freeze all the time on pre-install firmware.

I am not saying the PS4 will freeze all the time on pre-instal firmware but it seems like non of the 3 is giving a Home Console power hugs want, because only the PS4 takes things as far as power hugs want it, while the ONE goes almost as far, but the PS4 is using the cheapest technology with the worst architecture, and the other 2 are lacking some things that power hugs want, especially the Wii U, so it seems like none of these 8 Gen Home Consoles are doing justice for any power hungry people (LOL at the unintentional one liner).

The Wii U already got such exclusives as Lego City Undercover & Bayonetta & Wonderful 101 & X & SMT x FE & etc. for just fucosing on pure gaming and that seems to be what makes people prefer the Wii U version of games (for example: Batman Arkham City & Need for Speed Most Wanted & Darksiders & Mass Effect 3) over the PC version.....so if PC gamers are preferring weaker graphics on Wii U for its gaming, then what would make anyone buy a PS4/ONE version of a game they will have more better gaming with on the Wii U.

Anyways I wouldn't worry about any games the Wii U wouldn't get, since being HD gets it pretty much all the PS4/ONE games on the Wii U, with the Wii U not needing anymore support then what it is getting now with ZombiU 2 & Killer Freaks from Outer Space & etc. etc. etc. which shows that they clearly got the majority of Western 3rd Party developers, and I am not worry about 3rd Party Japanese developers since they only make games mostly for the 3DS only these days like Project X Zone & Bravely Default 1 & 2 & King if Pirates (trilogy) & Rodea the Sky Soldier & any almost any other Japanese 3rd party game you can think of (outside of the obvious old classics like main Final Fantasy which 13 sucked unfortunately).

Anyways any game the Wii U doesn't end up getting won't really stop it from having a more better lifetime sales then the other 2. Plus with the PS3/360/Wii, well the PS3 & 360 had too many different models that were being bought by people already owning one, plus the PS3 & 360 would tend to have a maximum life spam of 3 years, making even more current owners buy even more extra PS3s & 360s. So I wouldnt expect the launch sales of the PS4 & ONE to be that much different from the launch sales of the PS3 & 360, but probably somewhat better this time, because of pricing.

uh you got a lot of bad information over there, as far as I know the clock wasn't upped, they cleaned up the OS a lot though which is good. Metro is mostly due to dev cost, they are not a very big team and THQ at the time prolly didn't have enough funds for an actual port on a new hardware that a PC dev wouldn't be as familiar with. It's not their fault IMO, THQ was just going under.

Well Metro has their engine run purely on the CPU for pretty much everything, which makes the Metro engine the most idiotic game Enigne ever made and used in the 21st centry.

The Wii U IBM CPU is most likely 4-core instead of 3-core and was clocked at around 1.25 GHz a core on pre-install firmware but now is clocked at a more higher clock speed on current firmware 3.0.0, and will most likely get firmware 4.0.0 this Summer.

Im not sure about the Xbox ONE, but I know the PS4 has a 8-core APU but tats not a CPU, it's more like a CPU/GPU hybrid, and they will most likely use at least 1-core at 800 MHz for GPU while having up to 7-cores be used as CPU underclock at 1.64 GHz a core.

But the time the PS4 & ONE come out, the Wii U will probably have its CPU clock as high as 1.60 GHz a core, but it will still be 3 or so cores short of how many the PS4 will use for CPU from its APU.

I know GPGPU is a good thing to use, but I don't know the quality of APU technology. But I do know that AMD has the worst CPUs & worst APUs with the worst architecture while IBM has some of the best CPUs with some of the best architecture. The reason why Sony uses AMD is because it is the cheapest 3rd party CPUs & APUs, and Sony hasn't known anything about technology since around 2008. So things between processing power between the PS4 & Wii U might not be that much of a gap, but the PS4 will still process more at the end of the day, just maybe not as much as people think.

So by the time the PS4 & ONE comes out in October or November it will be a smaller gap then people currently think it will.

Besides the GPGPU is still responsible for almost all of the games quality, and the Wii U GPGPU gets clocked at 800 MHz when 1 GB of RAM go into it, which is how much that does go into it, plus the GPGPU in the Wii U only drains 2 Hz to 5 Hz of power when clocked at 800 MHz.

Plus the GPGPU does all the game physics mechanics, while the APU in the PS4 & ONE will have to use its cores that are use as a CPU to do such things as game physics mechanics and many other functionalities that could have been done by a GPGPU instead to save CPU a lot more processing power that can be used elsewhere. So as I said, the APU isnt giving the PS4 & ONE that much of advantage, at least by the time the Hardware is release because the Wii U will be beyond firmware 4.0.0 making the gap smaller then thought for functionality between the Wii U compare to PS4 & ONE, which gives people less reason to choose the new over the Wii U.

What should concern us the most is that if people didn't care about graphics when they bought the PS2 & Wii, then why would they care about anything having better graphics then the Wii U when they didn't care about Wii and even PS2 low quality graphics. Plus since they all have 800 MHz clocked GPUs, well the gap will be questionable. The PS4 & ONE will clearly do more then the Wii U but not as much as people think.

Plus today's gamers are at the point where they wait for a system to keep cheaper with a bigger library and higher firmware available for Donwload. This is where the Wii U has the sales advantage since it is currently $50 to $100 cheaper (depending on the model you get) and will have a much more bigger library of games with more wanted titles too by the time the other 2 Home Consoles come out, plus the Wii U also has the higher firmware of beyond 4.0 by the time the other 2 come out, so the sales this Q4 2K13 will show the Wii U doing good.....we just don't know which Home Console is going to sell the most during that time because 2 of them are launch Consoles and one of them is just barely releasing Pikmin & Mario & others for its own 1 year old console by Q4 2K13.

At least the competition is whipping out more power in Home Consoles, because Handheld Consoles is a different story: the PS Vita only does 140Mtriangle/s (35 million a core) while the 3DS GPU does 160Mtriangle/s (PICA200), plus the Vita GPU is 266 MHz while the 3DS GPU is 400 MHz and only drains 0.5 Hz at 400 MHz. The PS Vita & 3DS both have 4-core target up to 1 GHz CPUs, but the Vita uses a AMD CPU while the 3DS uses a non-AMD CPU which automatically makes the 3DS CPU (which is Nintendo ARM11) better. The Vita has a 512 MB RAM for 5XXp graphics while the 3DS has 128 MB RAM for 240p graphics which gives them both about e same amount of open world, except that the Vita RAM is way less efficient then the PS3 & 360 RAMs, while the 3DS RAM is way more efficient then the PS3 & 360 RAMs. So as I said Nintendo actually knows about technology while Sony plays the quantity & pricing game with their cheapness these past 5 or so years giving their Sony products crappy technology which explains why the non-American Vitas would freeze all the time on pre-install firmware.

I am not saying the PS4 will freeze all the time on pre-instal firmware but it seems like non of the 3 is giving a Home Console power hugs want, because only the PS4 takes things as far as power hugs want it, while the ONE goes almost as far, but the PS4 is using the cheapest technology with the worst architecture, and the other 2 are lacking some things that power hugs want, especially the Wii U, so it seems like none of these 8 Gen Home Consoles are doing justice for any power hungry people (LOL at the unintentional one liner).

The Wii U already got such exclusives as Lego City Undercover & Bayonetta & Wonderful 101 & X & SMT x FE & etc. for just fucosing on pure gaming and that seems to be what makes people prefer the Wii U version of games (for example: Batman Arkham City & Need for Speed Most Wanted & Darksiders & Mass Effect 3) over the PC version.....so if PC gamers are preferring weaker graphics on Wii U for its gaming, then what would make anyone buy a PS4/ONE version of a game they will have more better gaming with on the Wii U.

Anyways I wouldn't worry about any games the Wii U wouldn't get, since being HD gets it pretty much all the PS4/ONE games on the Wii U, with the Wii U not needing anymore support then what it is getting now with ZombiU 2 & Killer Freaks from Outer Space & etc. etc. etc. which shows that they clearly got the majority of Western 3rd Party developers, and I am not worry about 3rd Party Japanese developers since they only make games mostly for the 3DS only these days like Project X Zone & Bravely Default 1 & 2 & King if Pirates (trilogy) & Rodea the Sky Soldier & any almost any other Japanese 3rd party game you can think of (outside of the obvious old classics like main Final Fantasy which 13 sucked unfortunately).

Anyways any game the Wii U doesn't end up getting won't really stop it from having a more better lifetime sales then the other 2. Plus with the PS3/360/Wii, well the PS3 & 360 had too many different models that were being bought by people already owning one, plus the PS3 & 360 would tend to have a maximum life spam of 3 years, making even more current owners buy even more extra PS3s & 360s. So I wouldnt expect the launch sales of the PS4 & ONE to be that much different from the launch sales of the PS3 & 360, but probably somewhat better this time, because of pricing.