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KBG29 on 24 May 2013

Sony has already showed that they will be just as capable at non gaming features.

TV - Sony has been in talks with media companies for a while for live TV on Playstation. With PS4 having seperate chips for Networking/audio/video, it is more than capable of playing games and live streaming at the same time.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Virtual-MSO-PlayStation-Streaming-TV-Kazuo-Hirai-Comcast,news-16555.html

Skype/Video Chat - Sony already showed the PS4 doing video chat during gameplay at the PS4 announcement event. This was during the talk of viewing friends games, and taking controls over via PSN.

http://cdn1.mos.techradar.futurecdn.net//art/games_consoles/PlayStation%204/PS4%20official%20photos/PS4%20User%20Interface/_bmUploads_2013-02-28_1570_Screen_040-580-90.jpg

Cloud Gaming/Storage - Gaikai is Sony's answer to all cloud based media. The tech is going to be used for playing games as they download, stream playing PS1/2/P/3 games, enhancing the multimedia networked experiance, and advancing the use of cloud storage possibilities. 

PSEYE - XMB already supports motion control on PS3. Playstation had gesture controls before Xbox, and with the new EYE packed into every PS4 box, it should only mean it is fully supported. The PS4 OS will be built with PSEYE as an integral part of the system. Sony also has massive amounts of voice tech across their divisions, and vioce controls in many first party games last gen.

Sony has also already talked multitasking, and save state features. The only differences between PS4 and XBO as far as mulitmedia is that MS made it a point to show that it is the main focus of their device, while Sony made it clear that games are the focus of PS4.



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RenCutypoison on 24 May 2013
Imaginedvl said:
RenCutypoison said:
Imaginedvl said:
ethomaz said:
Skype - I'm not sure but Vita have Skype so why PS4 can't have too? Anyway others voice/video calling service will be supported by PS4 too.

Skydrive - Sony have their own cloud storage service and they will make others patners for that too.

Windows - Windows kernel better for multitasking? Sorry but it is worst than Linux and Mac OSX (BSD based) for multitasking... Sony will use a OS with BSD kernel and I can't see worst multitasking here... but I agree Windows have better UI but Sony can put a good UI over BSD too.

Azure - That is yet uncertain over the cloud services... Sony bought Gaikai for nothing?

Kinect 2.0 - That is really better than PSEye.

What are you talking about? Windows kernel is as good as any other OS for multitasking/threading...
It is the same kernel used in Windows Server; running background process/threads is not BETTER on MacOS or Linux (by the way MacOS is based on Linux...)...
It is one thing to dislike Windows user interface or ecosystem but saying clueless comments about the kernel is another one :)
The windows kernel (NT kernel based on Unix) is one of the best OS out there and is has nothing to do with what the anti-MS-Windows train is QQing about.

 

 


Did you ever had an IT class ? Windows was the last one to do multitasking, BSD already had multiple people working on the same device simultaneously in the 80's. 

It's no scoop, no matter what windows does, UNIX based OS already did 10 years before. Like this Aero shit (Already working on Linux based OS 5 years before. and better).

ROFL! Good for you if you went in an IT class 30 years ago.

First > NT KERNEL is based on Unix.
Second > We are not in the 80s anymore. You know Microsoft did a LOT of work on their kernel and it is not because 30 years ago, Windows kernel was shitty that it is still bad today.
Finally... Are you REALLY comparing AREO with the multitasking/multi-processing/multi-threading capabilities of the kernel? Really?


NT kernel was build from ground up. It has nothing to do with UNIX.

I'm comparing OS functionalities with OS functionalities.

Yeah, windows actual multitasking capabilities are better. For the first time in history.

Don't poop on history, Microsoft has always done everything worst than competition, except marketing. 

Windows OS are the only OS capable of crashing without any fault of the user, and that's not nothing.

They do it better on an OS. With multiples harware. Sony has more experience on custom OS for single platform. And looking at history is the best way to predict the future. If you do shit for 25 years than do 1 thing right, what is the probability you keep going that way ?



Imaginedvl on 24 May 2013
RenCutypoison said:
Imaginedvl said:
RenCutypoison said:
Imaginedvl said:
ethomaz said:
Skype - I'm not sure but Vita have Skype so why PS4 can't have too? Anyway others voice/video calling service will be supported by PS4 too.

Skydrive - Sony have their own cloud storage service and they will make others patners for that too.

Windows - Windows kernel better for multitasking? Sorry but it is worst than Linux and Mac OSX (BSD based) for multitasking... Sony will use a OS with BSD kernel and I can't see worst multitasking here... but I agree Windows have better UI but Sony can put a good UI over BSD too.

Azure - That is yet uncertain over the cloud services... Sony bought Gaikai for nothing?

Kinect 2.0 - That is really better than PSEye.

What are you talking about? Windows kernel is as good as any other OS for multitasking/threading...
It is the same kernel used in Windows Server; running background process/threads is not BETTER on MacOS or Linux (by the way MacOS is based on Linux...)...
It is one thing to dislike Windows user interface or ecosystem but saying clueless comments about the kernel is another one :)
The windows kernel (NT kernel based on Unix) is one of the best OS out there and is has nothing to do with what the anti-MS-Windows train is QQing about.

 

 


Did you ever had an IT class ? Windows was the last one to do multitasking, BSD already had multiple people working on the same device simultaneously in the 80's. 

It's no scoop, no matter what windows does, UNIX based OS already did 10 years before. Like this Aero shit (Already working on Linux based OS 5 years before. and better).

ROFL! Good for you if you went in an IT class 30 years ago.

First > NT KERNEL is based on Unix.
Second > We are not in the 80s anymore. You know Microsoft did a LOT of work on their kernel and it is not because 30 years ago, Windows kernel was shitty that it is still bad today.
Finally... Are you REALLY comparing AREO with the multitasking/multi-processing/multi-threading capabilities of the kernel? Really?


NT kernel was build from ground up. It has nothing to do with UNIX.

I'm comparing OS functionalities with OS functionalities.

Yeah, windows actual multitasking capabilities are better. For the first time in history.

Don't poop on history, Microsoft has always done everything worst than competition, except marketing. 

Windows OS are the only OS capable of crashing without any fault of the user, and that's not nothing.

They do it better on an OS. With multiples harware. Sony has more experience on custom OS for single platform. And looking at history is the best way to predict the future. If you do shit for 25 years than do 1 thing right, what is the probability you keep going that way ?

Edit: By based on Unix I mean in term of functionalities, MS created the NT kernel (new tech) kernel based on Unix kernel features.

We are talking about the kernel not about the UI interface... You are comparing apples with oranges.

> Windows OS are the only OS capable of crashing without any fault of the user, and that's not nothing.

Yah, my MacOS NEVER crashed on me :) right...
Also go and say that to the millions of company using Windows "SERVER" for their enterprise application server... You must be right, they are crashing a lot...

Your 2 last posts clearly demonstrated how much you just hate Microsoft...
There is just no point of debating with you as you are just going to throw insults about them for the next 10 posts.

You don't like them; got it. Does not make your points more valid.



RenCutypoison on 24 May 2013
Imaginedvl said:
RenCutypoison said:
Imaginedvl said:
RenCutypoison said:
Imaginedvl said:
ethomaz said:
Skype - I'm not sure but Vita have Skype so why PS4 can't have too? Anyway others voice/video calling service will be supported by PS4 too.

Skydrive - Sony have their own cloud storage service and they will make others patners for that too.

Windows - Windows kernel better for multitasking? Sorry but it is worst than Linux and Mac OSX (BSD based) for multitasking... Sony will use a OS with BSD kernel and I can't see worst multitasking here... but I agree Windows have better UI but Sony can put a good UI over BSD too.

Azure - That is yet uncertain over the cloud services... Sony bought Gaikai for nothing?

Kinect 2.0 - That is really better than PSEye.

What are you talking about? Windows kernel is as good as any other OS for multitasking/threading...
It is the same kernel used in Windows Server; running background process/threads is not BETTER on MacOS or Linux (by the way MacOS is based on Linux...)...
It is one thing to dislike Windows user interface or ecosystem but saying clueless comments about the kernel is another one :)
The windows kernel (NT kernel based on Unix) is one of the best OS out there and is has nothing to do with what the anti-MS-Windows train is QQing about.

 

 


Did you ever had an IT class ? Windows was the last one to do multitasking, BSD already had multiple people working on the same device simultaneously in the 80's. 

It's no scoop, no matter what windows does, UNIX based OS already did 10 years before. Like this Aero shit (Already working on Linux based OS 5 years before. and better).

ROFL! Good for you if you went in an IT class 30 years ago.

First > NT KERNEL is based on Unix.
Second > We are not in the 80s anymore. You know Microsoft did a LOT of work on their kernel and it is not because 30 years ago, Windows kernel was shitty that it is still bad today.
Finally... Are you REALLY comparing AREO with the multitasking/multi-processing/multi-threading capabilities of the kernel? Really?


NT kernel was build from ground up. It has nothing to do with UNIX.

I'm comparing OS functionalities with OS functionalities.

Yeah, windows actual multitasking capabilities are better. For the first time in history.

Don't poop on history, Microsoft has always done everything worst than competition, except marketing. 

Windows OS are the only OS capable of crashing without any fault of the user, and that's not nothing.

They do it better on an OS. With multiples harware. Sony has more experience on custom OS for single platform. And looking at history is the best way to predict the future. If you do shit for 25 years than do 1 thing right, what is the probability you keep going that way ?

Edit: By based on Unix I mean in term of functionalities, MS created the NT kernel (new tech) kernel based on Unix kernel features.

We are talking about the kernel not about the UI interface... You are comparing apples with oranges.

> Windows OS are the only OS capable of crashing without any fault of the user, and that's not nothing.

Yah, my MacOS NEVER crashed on me :) right...
Also go and say that to the millions of company using Windows "SERVER" for their enterprise application server... You must be right, they are crashing a lot...

Your 2 last posts clearly demonstrated how much you just hate Microsoft...
There is just no point of debating with you as you are just going to throw insults about them for the next 10 posts.

You don't like them; got it. Does not make your points more valid.


I do hate microsoft. I liked Xbox 360.

I do not know where your love from them comes, but they have proven trough history that whenever they try to do anything else than software, they fall hard.

You cannot take a point on the timeline and base all your estimation on it.

And yeah. Nt capabilities are based on Unix. That's exactly my point. 

They never innovate. Somebody else innovate, they make it theirs, and then, sometimes, they make it better. Sometimes.

Let's look at PS4 now. It's been proven more powerfull. Everything points out that multimedia capabilities of the XBone is software (3GB ram for the OS is even worst than windows, seriously).

If it's software, what proves sony cannot do the same ? Right now they have a console with 4GB of ram free. You really think they cannot use it to do the same, knowing they are based on the exact same architecture ? 



wolfofthepack on 24 May 2013
Goatseye said:
wolfofthepack said:
wait wait what are we buying a xboxone or ps4 again? cause last time i checked i had a computer for the rest of those stuff

Do you have a smart phone? If you do, don't you have a computer ( probably cheaper) for the extra stuff?

It's all about convinience and feeling good.


nope i dont got a smart phone i have a black berry to use only bbm i dont need more that 1 device doing the same its a waste of time!

i want ps4 or xbox1 to play games not talk to somebody or skype or the community to c wa the helll am i doing only app i appericate is net flix



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Imaginedvl on 24 May 2013
RenCutypoison said:
 


I do hate microsoft. I liked Xbox 360.

I do not know where your love from them comes, but they have proven trough history that whenever they try to do anything else than software, they fall hard.

You cannot take a point on the timeline and base all your estimation on it.

And yeah. Nt capabilities are based on Unix. That's exactly my point. 

They never innovate. Somebody else innovate, they make it theirs, and then, sometimes, they make it better. Sometimes.

Let's look at PS4 now. It's been proven more powerfull. Everything points out that multimedia capabilities of the XBone is software (3GB ram for the OS is even worst than windows, seriously).

If it's software, what proves sony cannot do the same ? Right now they have a console with 4GB of ram free. You really think they cannot use it to do the same, knowing they are based on the exact same architecture ? 

I never said Sony cannot do the same :)

My point is just about this guy bashing Windows OS kernel without knowing what he is talking about.

It is easy to hate Microsoft's OS because of the UI or because when you install a lot of stuff/drivers it craches easily... Now trying to bash it at the kernel level just does not make sense anymore. This is all I'm saying.

As for my love (I'm okay with that) for them; it is for different reasons:

1) We are an indie studio and we are using Microsoft technologies. We are extremely happy with them and working with .NET / SQL Server is a charm.
2) Microsoft is helping by providing us ressources, servers (Azure), MSDN subscriptions and a lot of support.
3) I love Microsoft Windows as a end user operating system. (and I have a MacBook pro with Windows 8 on it instead of MacOS) :)
4) What they did with the Xbox and the console industry changed my mind on console (was a PC gamer only before).
5) And you do not agree with this one (but it is just your oppinion); I think Microsoft is actually innovating a lot and putting a lot of money in their R&D... Like any company (incuding Sony) they are obviously aquiring others for the tech but this is not different than any other company.

And many other reasons :)

I respect your position but nothing is wrong for having a different one than yours and my reasons are as valid as yours!



RenCutypoison on 24 May 2013
Imaginedvl said:
RenCutypoison said:
Imaginedvl said:
ethomaz said:
Skype - I'm not sure but Vita have Skype so why PS4 can't have too? Anyway others voice/video calling service will be supported by PS4 too.

Skydrive - Sony have their own cloud storage service and they will make others patners for that too.

Windows - Windows kernel better for multitasking? Sorry but it is worst than Linux and Mac OSX (BSD based) for multitasking... Sony will use a OS with BSD kernel and I can't see worst multitasking here... but I agree Windows have better UI but Sony can put a good UI over BSD too.

Azure - That is yet uncertain over the cloud services... Sony bought Gaikai for nothing?

Kinect 2.0 - That is really better than PSEye.

What are you talking about? Windows kernel is as good as any other OS for multitasking/threading...
It is the same kernel used in Windows Server; running background process/threads is not BETTER on MacOS or Linux (by the way MacOS is based on Linux...)...
It is one thing to dislike Windows user interface or ecosystem but saying clueless comments about the kernel is another one :)
The windows kernel (NT kernel based on Unix) is one of the best OS out there and is has nothing to do with what the anti-MS-Windows train is QQing about.

 

 


Did you ever had an IT class ? Windows was the last one to do multitasking, BSD already had multiple people working on the same device simultaneously in the 80's. 

It's no scoop, no matter what windows does, UNIX based OS already did 10 years before. Like this Aero shit (Already working on Linux based OS 5 years before. and better).

ROFL! Good for you if you went in an IT class 30 years ago.

First > NT KERNEL is based on Unix.
Second > We are not in the 80s anymore. You know Microsoft did a LOT of work on their kernel and it is not because 30 years ago, Windows kernel was shitty that it is still bad today.
Finally... Are you REALLY comparing AREO with the multitasking/multi-processing/multi-threading capabilities of the kernel? Really?


Just when I tought they lost all the indies. What's your studio's name ? I want to check out your work



Imaginedvl on 24 May 2013
RenCutypoison said:
Imaginedvl said:
RenCutypoison said:
Imaginedvl said:
ethomaz said:
Skype - I'm not sure but Vita have Skype so why PS4 can't have too? Anyway others voice/video calling service will be supported by PS4 too.

Skydrive - Sony have their own cloud storage service and they will make others patners for that too.

Windows - Windows kernel better for multitasking? Sorry but it is worst than Linux and Mac OSX (BSD based) for multitasking... Sony will use a OS with BSD kernel and I can't see worst multitasking here... but I agree Windows have better UI but Sony can put a good UI over BSD too.

Azure - That is yet uncertain over the cloud services... Sony bought Gaikai for nothing?

Kinect 2.0 - That is really better than PSEye.

What are you talking about? Windows kernel is as good as any other OS for multitasking/threading...
It is the same kernel used in Windows Server; running background process/threads is not BETTER on MacOS or Linux (by the way MacOS is based on Linux...)...
It is one thing to dislike Windows user interface or ecosystem but saying clueless comments about the kernel is another one :)
The windows kernel (NT kernel based on Unix) is one of the best OS out there and is has nothing to do with what the anti-MS-Windows train is QQing about.

 

 


Did you ever had an IT class ? Windows was the last one to do multitasking, BSD already had multiple people working on the same device simultaneously in the 80's. 

It's no scoop, no matter what windows does, UNIX based OS already did 10 years before. Like this Aero shit (Already working on Linux based OS 5 years before. and better).

ROFL! Good for you if you went in an IT class 30 years ago.

First > NT KERNEL is based on Unix.
Second > We are not in the 80s anymore. You know Microsoft did a LOT of work on their kernel and it is not because 30 years ago, Windows kernel was shitty that it is still bad today.
Finally... Are you REALLY comparing AREO with the multitasking/multi-processing/multi-threading capabilities of the kernel? Really?


Just when I tought they lost all the indies. What's your studio's name ? I want to check out your work

Fatecraft Studio (we are in Canada) :)
The game is in french for now (we are working to translate it)

Hope I will not get banned for that but here is the link : http://www.fatecraft.com

It is an MMORPG and no surprise for you, it is using Silverlight!

MS is really helping us and our next step would be to port it on Windows 8 (maybe phone too).
Because to jump on other platform.



RenCutypoison on 24 May 2013
Imaginedvl said:
RenCutypoison said:
Imaginedvl said:
RenCutypoison said:
Imaginedvl said:
ethomaz said:
Skype - I'm not sure but Vita have Skype so why PS4 can't have too? Anyway others voice/video calling service will be supported by PS4 too.

Skydrive - Sony have their own cloud storage service and they will make others patners for that too.

Windows - Windows kernel better for multitasking? Sorry but it is worst than Linux and Mac OSX (BSD based) for multitasking... Sony will use a OS with BSD kernel and I can't see worst multitasking here... but I agree Windows have better UI but Sony can put a good UI over BSD too.

Azure - That is yet uncertain over the cloud services... Sony bought Gaikai for nothing?

Kinect 2.0 - That is really better than PSEye.

What are you talking about? Windows kernel is as good as any other OS for multitasking/threading...
It is the same kernel used in Windows Server; running background process/threads is not BETTER on MacOS or Linux (by the way MacOS is based on Linux...)...
It is one thing to dislike Windows user interface or ecosystem but saying clueless comments about the kernel is another one :)
The windows kernel (NT kernel based on Unix) is one of the best OS out there and is has nothing to do with what the anti-MS-Windows train is QQing about.

 

 


Did you ever had an IT class ? Windows was the last one to do multitasking, BSD already had multiple people working on the same device simultaneously in the 80's. 

It's no scoop, no matter what windows does, UNIX based OS already did 10 years before. Like this Aero shit (Already working on Linux based OS 5 years before. and better).

ROFL! Good for you if you went in an IT class 30 years ago.

First > NT KERNEL is based on Unix.
Second > We are not in the 80s anymore. You know Microsoft did a LOT of work on their kernel and it is not because 30 years ago, Windows kernel was shitty that it is still bad today.
Finally... Are you REALLY comparing AREO with the multitasking/multi-processing/multi-threading capabilities of the kernel? Really?


Just when I tought they lost all the indies. What's your studio's name ? I want to check out your work

Fatecraft Studio (we are in Canada) :)
The game is in french for now (we are working to translate it)

Hope I will not get banned for that but here is the link : http://www.fatecraft.com

It is an MMORPG and no surprise for you, it is using Silverlight!

MS is really helping us and our next step would be to port it on Windows 8 (maybe phone too).
Because to jump on other platform.

No need to translate it, I'm belgian xD



VGKing on 24 May 2013

They don't really have to. They'll have enough TV/Video/Music/Movie services and apps to satisfy anyone.

Anyway I'll leave you with this picture of the PS4 OS. It can multitask just fine.