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The amount of BS that MS has been giving us after the Conference has me looking up PC components to do a HTPC, I don't know about everyone else but I could use a PC and get all those restrictions but with a better all around system.

Couldn't MS just make a 360 with better hardware and software improvements? I would have bought it as would a lot of their consumer base



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That spin was pretty impressive lol. He was basically saying what people feared, but he was saying it as if it's totally okay.



badgenome said:
cannonballZ said:

LOL. It is unbelieveable that they got Phil Harrison saying stuff like this then. This is by far the worst damage control I have ever witnessed by a company.

He is still working for Sony. B_E_L_I_E_V_E.




Its funny that they go after the customer on this instead of the retailer. The retailers are the individuals who gave the customer a platform to use in the used game side of the market

They're going about this the wrong way.

But the used game thing isn't something i would stress about. Its that always online virus that they're trying their best to implement eithin the consoles



Adinnieken said:
I believe what requires the 24 hour Internet connection is the guide. If anyone here has used a Mediaroom-based cable TV box knows well that every 24 hours it phones home and updates the guide information. I doubt this will be different with Xbox One.

Also, I'm fairly certain the Xbox One will be checking for system, game, and application updates on a fairly regular basis. So an always on/always connected Xbox One will likely phone home, request updates, and go from there.

No, if they plan on being able to transfer game rights then the xbox one has to check if the game is still tied to your account. Hence the daily log in requirement. If not then second hand sales are outright blocked and the value of your game is zero as soon as you unlock it for your account.

There is another possibility in that you need to be connected online to 'uninstall' the game, maening unlock your game key for resale. Then it doesn't need to check online daily (makes more sense) However that still blocks 2nd hand sales by shops and probably by yourself, since MS still owns the key and holds the transfer procedure to 'give' your game key to another account holder.

The only way I can see where retail partners come in:  When you trade in your game they are required to do an online check to see if that game key is no longer tied to an account. (maybe that will remove the game key from your account, disabling the game, but needing 24h checks by your system) Then they can re-sell that disc with an additional second hand sale activation card. Pretty complicated procedure. And forget selling it on Ebay or lending it to a friend.

All speculation, I wish they would clear up their plans. By tie-ing the game key to your account and not needing the disc anymore it makes things very complicated.  Basically xbox one is an enhanced Steam box. With an online fee, less games, premium price on games, less flexibility.  It is not like the old pc retail model. There I could install the game to several pcs, no online drm or account activation required.

I'm also curious if they will keep the silver account. Single player games still need online activation, should be easy with a silver account. However what of single player games with cloud enhancements.

Hopefully E3 will clear up a lot of things.



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SvennoJ said:
Adinnieken said:
I believe what requires the 24 hour Internet connection is the guide. If anyone here has used a Mediaroom-based cable TV box knows well that every 24 hours it phones home and updates the guide information. I doubt this will be different with Xbox One.

Also, I'm fairly certain the Xbox One will be checking for system, game, and application updates on a fairly regular basis. So an always on/always connected Xbox One will likely phone home, request updates, and go from there.

No, if they plan on being able to transfer game rights then the xbox one has to check if the game is still tied to your account. Hence the daily log in requirement. If not then second hand sales are outright blocked and the value of your game is zero as soon as you unlock it for your account.

There is another possibility in that you need to be connected online to 'uninstall' the game, maening unlock your game key for resale. Then it doesn't need to check online daily (makes more sense) However that still blocks 2nd hand sales by shops and probably by yourself, since MS still owns the key and holds the transfer procedure to 'give' your game key to another account holder.

The only way I can see where retail partners come in:  When you trade in your game they are required to do an online check to see if that game key is no longer tied to an account. (maybe that will remove the game key from your account, disabling the game, but needing 24h checks by your system) Then they can re-sell that disc with an additional second hand sale activation card. Pretty complicated procedure. And forget selling it on Ebay or lending it to a friend.

All speculation, I wish they would clear up their plans. By tie-ing the game key to your account and not needing the disc anymore it makes things very complicated.  Basically xbox one is an enhanced Steam box. With an online fee, less games, premium price on games, less flexibility.  It is not like the old pc retail model. There I could install the game to several pcs, no online drm or account activation required.

I'm also curious if they will keep the silver account. Single player games still need online activation, should be easy with a silver account. However what of single player games with cloud enhancements.

Hopefully E3 will clear up a lot of things.


Im curious about silver accounts also, I didn't think about the cloud storage stuff. I absolutely dislike the idea of having to always be online or once every 24hrs even more than the used games fee policy.

I hope it isn't too late and they change their minds about that. Do you think TV functionality will be restricted to gold sevice also? I'm pretty sure that skype will be.



I somehow doubt this



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They probably did have the retail partners involved in most of the steps of the process. The way I see this working is in the burning process of discs a unique ID number is included in the data. That ID number is the "access code", when installing the disc the XBO checks the number against the confirmed installs on a dedicated server. If the code hasn't been tied to an account it proceeds to check it assigns it to the account and flags it as used. If it was used and still tied to an account it throws the pay wall up. If the person pays the price to install it, it assigns that users a new unique code.

If the user goes to a retail store and returns it as a used game, Microsoft will have a machine supplied where the store can put it into the machine and it removes the ownership from the account it was bound to. And the retailer can go ahead and resell that disc as "new" or close to new. If that user still had the game installed on their console the next time the system "checks" to see if there is any unauthorized software on the machine it will mark that game to throw the pay wall the next time it is used.

The retailers will treat used games similar to the way they sell their digital downloads. They will remit payment to the platform holder in the preferred payment cycle. This way Microsoft and the publishers are happy, the retailers are happy, but the customers end up footing the bill for their happiness.



hasonap said:
The amount of BS that MS has been giving us after the Conference has me looking up PC components to do a HTPC, I don't know about everyone else but I could use a PC and get all those restrictions but with a better all around system.

Couldn't MS just make a 360 with better hardware and software improvements? I would have bought it as would a lot of their consumer base


What restrictions?  I can play all of my steam and origin games offline.



Phil Harrison messed up sony know he is messing up MS. this guy should be fired



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