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Adinnieken said:
taus90 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Adinnieken said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:


Same. The fact that this along with the fake audience sound supposedly is news material is mind-boggling.

 

Goes hand in hand with the rise of "reality" TV: People trust way too much of what they see.

The clapping wasn't fake, it was just from Microsoft employees.  There were times when it was total dead silence and you could tell either Mattrick or the other guy thought there would be a more positive response.  I don't think anyone should expect the press to clap.  Not when nearly every person there seemed to be live blogging the event.  You could clearly see some seemed to be balancing laptops on their laps while they watched, so I think clapping was out of the queation and the presentation should have been directed as such.


Microsoft employees = Fake audience


Press at PS4 Event did clap, they had laptops too.. but cheering for Xbox one was so superficial, they were cheering for stuff which was not even amussing at all.. 

While I agree with you, I'm confused by your "they were cheering for stuff which was not even amussing at all."  People don't necessarily just cheer or clap for things that are amusing to them, but for things they like or approve of.  There is also, often in some situations, applause out of acknowledgement. 

I certainly agree, during Microsoft's presentation there were times when an applause wasn't warranted, but I also believe there were times when one was.  Which, if you have your hands free, and I'm sure Microsoft employees did, then you'd be clapping.  There were also things where they didn't quite register as resoundingly with the employees themselves.  The NFL announcment only got a small applause, while the Halo announcement got a significant applause.

As an audience, I think it is acceptable that Microsoft employees applauded, they have every right to.  I don't think they acted as a fake audience, because what got wide-spread applause and what didn't get much at all varied.  Even to the point that in some instances the audience (which includes Microsoft employees) didn't applaud.  So, to me, they appeared to be acting genuinely more so than a canned audience would.

oh i forgot to mention "at times", but yeah i meant what u are saying some of the stuff was good worth cheering.

But I think MS had those people applauding intentionally, because their focus was so much on TV, they must have thought lets put a live audience, like they do in sitcoms :P  



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yusuf is just arabs best ping pong player-from jerkanistan.even a pk is no reason for him to stop playing.

When ms showed kinect the first time at the e3 it was faked,why should they change their tactics aslong as they get away with it.
Sony doing the same-they'd be destroyed by the us press .



taus90 said:
Multimedialover said:
taus90 said:
Multimedialover said:
taus90 said:


lot of what you say is speculation. Sony havent announced anything so why should I assume that there is any more than 5 titles being made?

Based on what  Both companies said and announced, Sony has more to prove on the games front than Microsoft from an announcemnt point of view. Currently Mirosoft has confirmed more gaming wise. 

We know Forza 5 arguaeably the best launch title ever is available day 1. We know ryse and Quantum Break are story driven experiences and mor surprising that Ryse uses the traditiona controller with Kinect enhancements. Being by Crytek this game will arguably be th best looking game in the first 12 months of the PS4 and One considering Crytek track record with visuals.

ALl this Kinect talk from sad fanboys is pathetic. 3 Exclusives revealed by Micrsoft and all 3 use traditional controller and are what is considred AAA and for the core gamer. And 1 new IP already.

Seems Microsoft are putting core gamers in the firing line. 

 

Until Sony say or announce coe games worth my time then I may get excited about PS4 game lineup. ut ther conference said to me shootes and poor openworld game.

Oh u mean Forza 4.5 with no gameplay.. going against DriveClub and GT6 good luck with that. and quantun break.. that TV show/game something, Ill prefer to play Beyond on PS3. And in graphics Crytek going up against Santa Monica and Naughty Dogs on 50% more powerful hardware then the DVR in I guess people will know what to choose. 

15 exlusive MS announced.. well get a load of this every first party studio is working on a PS4 title confirmed by Shuhei Yoshida. and there are 15 of them Oh and Majority of those developers have two teams including GG and SMS who are also working on a new IP.. and not to mention Final Fantasy and Agent "please be excited"

how sad it must b to come home with ur 15 exclusive and ur friend asks to borrow ur game but u cant give him Coz of DRM... naah may be he has a PS4 :D

Wait. Every studio?

So wait Im sure they are at some stage of the process.But when is SOny releasing them?

GT7? is that 10 years away? Seriously I gave up waiting for GT5. Naughtys Dogs game after LOU. Is that gonna be ready before 2016? Ascension just released. GOW next will that be around in next 3 years? Seriously what great studio does Sony have that will make me buy a PS4 in the first 2-3 years? I'm sure they are working on some titles. 

But I want to know from Sony why I should purchase a PS4 at launch. Cause as things stand Xbox One is shaping up to have an awesome first year of exclusives and first content. 

Its easy to say but we know that all devs are working on titles, but Microsoft have narrowed down timelines much closer than Sony. And confirmed 8 new IP's. Ryse and Quantum Break being 2 of those we know of. Ryse even having full traditional controller support with Kinect enhancing showing just how much Microsoft has made sure the core is looked after. 

Final Fantasy? I wont comment on the absolute trash SE put out or not put out lately. FF13 was a mess and FF Versus 13 has been in development longer than Videogames have been around.

lol U doubt sony's ability to pump out games from their studio.. and u really think MS new inexperienced studio will meet the deadline.. heck they didnt even have Forza 5 footage to show at the conference and Turn 10 is their most exprerienced. Lack of footage only prove the rumor that MS development is behind 6 months... good luck with ur 15 exclusive in one year! 

And the most famous one GT5 delay how much do u think delay was from  GT5 prologue to GT5 and now GT6 2007 to 2013 5 years 3 games wheres the delay?? every sony studio has been releasing games every two years on average and this is when they had one team to working on complex PS3 architecture. Sky is the limit on how fast they are going to do it with PS4 x86 architecture...

I dont believe i m even explaining  you sony's abilty to produce games. thats just common sense!! oh wait!! what m i saying? Ur more excited about the release time of the games on xbox one than the games themselves.  

And about Ryse! did i miss the part where they showed the footage and release date of the game.. but MS didnt even have a proper working Kinect at the conference...!

So in true fashion let me get this straight.

Your saying that with no confirmation or any details whatsoever Sony are in the better postion because you just 'know' they are making games oh so fast right now. And your so sure you dont need proof. Then your saying that Microsoft are full of crap even though they actually announced info. 

Difference is I have proof. You dont. Sony brought nothing, and have conmfirmed nothing about the launch window leaving me not knowing what is going on wit PS4.

I know more about The One right now and its launch window games than Sony's. And thats even with Sony showing me some gameplay. But how do I know it was running on a PS4. I couldnt see a PS4, so for all I know it could have been running on a PC.


yeah just the way u "know" Forza 5 will be mindblowing because forza 4 was so great. And also those 15 unknown exclusive will be better than Sony's unannounced titles Oh because MS PR said so!

PS4 - at launch, Driveclub,  Knack, infamous, witnessm, hohokum, Killzone SF. with actual gameplay of on stage uploaded on facebook via PS4 in front of capacity crowd, 

Xbone - Forza 5 and quantum break those 15 unseen hypothetical games 

so in that fashion show i dont believe MS will release those 15 exclusive, in a year the way u believe  sony wont release any game after those.. 5 confirmed exclusive in first year.


Your arguement still only works if you push the facts aside. Im using facts. Not guesses. Microsoft said thats what they will do. So until they dont meet that claim the claim stands. Only Microsoft know whats going on. But they state that they have 15 exclusives for the year published by Microsoft Studios. So right now thats that. 8 new Ips ( franchises ) and 7 sequels. All Published by Microsoft Studios meaning all 15 can never see the light of day outside The One. 

Just so you know I was basing Forza 5 being great due to Forza 1 - 4 all scoring in the 90's + on Metacritic. Beating each rival iteration of GT for quality. Hence why Microsoft made the very true and real claim that Forza is the highest rated racing franchise of the last 10 years. Because it is. Wile Forza 5 could well be a flop, the chances based on history are extremely negligable.



Multimedialover said:
taus90 said:
Multimedialover said:
taus90 said:
Multimedialover said:
taus90 said:


yeah just the way u "know" Forza 5 will be mindblowing because forza 4 was so great. And also those 15 unknown exclusive will be better than Sony's unannounced titles Oh because MS PR said so!

PS4 - at launch, Driveclub,  Knack, infamous, witnessm, hohokum, Killzone SF. with actual gameplay of on stage uploaded on facebook via PS4 in front of capacity crowd, 

Xbone - Forza 5 and quantum break those 15 unseen hypothetical games 

so in that fashion show i dont believe MS will release those 15 exclusive, in a year the way u believe  sony wont release any game after those.. 5 confirmed exclusive in first year.


Your arguement still only works if you push the facts aside. Im using facts. Not guesses. Microsoft said thats what they will do. So until they dont meet that claim the claim stands. Only Microsoft know whats going on. But they state that they have 15 exclusives for the year published by Microsoft Studios. So right now thats that. 8 new Ips ( franchises ) and 7 sequels. All Published by Microsoft Studios meaning all 15 can never see the light of day outside The One. 

Just so you know I was basing Forza 5 being great due to Forza 1 - 4 all scoring in the 90's + on Metacritic. Beating each rival iteration of GT for quality. Hence why Microsoft made the very true and real claim that Forza is the highest rated racing franchise of the last 10 years. Because it is. Wile Forza 5 could well be a flop, the chances based on history are extremely negligable.

So u have facts that all the 15 exclusive are core IP and not Kinect titles and that all those titles will be AAA. 

7 sequels how many games does Xbox have to warrant a sequel..

1) HALO (343 just released Halo 4 dont think they are going to make a new game for a new platform in a year)

2) Fable (possible)

3) Gears of war (again just released GoWJ)

4) Crackdown 3 (possible)

5) PGR (dont think MS will pit 2 racing same year and eat each other sales)

6) Banjo (Rare is working on a new IP "MS said so")

7) Forza 5 (which they already announced)

8) Alan wake (not happening obviously)

these are the only title worth getting announced. and the least appealling of them are available for sequel Fable and Crackdown 3. SO two sequels are possible!

and ur allowed use stats in ur argument and i dont, that based on metacritics of last gen, next gen forza 5 will be better! and the fact that Sony has obviouly been pumping out games after games since 5 years, that means they arent capable as they have not given the number..



taus90 said:
Multimedialover said:
taus90 said:
Multimedialover said:
taus90 said:
Multimedialover said:
taus90 said:


yeah just the way u "know" Forza 5 will be mindblowing because forza 4 was so great. And also those 15 unknown exclusive will be better than Sony's unannounced titles Oh because MS PR said so!

PS4 - at launch, Driveclub,  Knack, infamous, witnessm, hohokum, Killzone SF. with actual gameplay of on stage uploaded on facebook via PS4 in front of capacity crowd, 

Xbone - Forza 5 and quantum break those 15 unseen hypothetical games 

so in that fashion show i dont believe MS will release those 15 exclusive, in a year the way u believe  sony wont release any game after those.. 5 confirmed exclusive in first year.


Your arguement still only works if you push the facts aside. Im using facts. Not guesses. Microsoft said thats what they will do. So until they dont meet that claim the claim stands. Only Microsoft know whats going on. But they state that they have 15 exclusives for the year published by Microsoft Studios. So right now thats that. 8 new Ips ( franchises ) and 7 sequels. All Published by Microsoft Studios meaning all 15 can never see the light of day outside The One. 

Just so you know I was basing Forza 5 being great due to Forza 1 - 4 all scoring in the 90's + on Metacritic. Beating each rival iteration of GT for quality. Hence why Microsoft made the very true and real claim that Forza is the highest rated racing franchise of the last 10 years. Because it is. Wile Forza 5 could well be a flop, the chances based on history are extremely negligable.

So u have facts that all the 15 exclusive are core IP and not Kinect titles and that all those titles will be AAA. 

7 sequels how many games does Xbox have to warrant a sequel..

1) HALO (343 just released Halo 4 dont think they are going to make a new game for a new platform in a year)

2) Fable (possible)

3) Gears of war (again just released GoWJ)

4) Crackdown 3 (possible)

5) PGR (dont think MS will pit 2 racing same year and eat each other sales)

6) Banjo (Rare is working on a new IP "MS said so")

7) Forza 5 (which they already announced)

8) Alan wake (not happening obviously)

these are the only title worth getting announced. and the least appealling of them are available for sequel Fable and Crackdown 3. SO two sequels are possible!

and ur allowed use stats in ur argument and i dont, that based on metacritics of last gen, next gen forza 5 will be better! and the fact that Sony has obviouly been pumping out games after games since 5 years, that means they arent capable as they have not given the number..


Last gens. Forza 1 outscored GT4 also on meta and gamerankings. But Forza being good wasnt a fact I was using.

The facts were Microsoft has announced more game content as a confirmation through announcement than Sony for its entire first year. Thats a fact. Now if Microsoft show all these at E3 and blow everyone away what will the internet do then? Fall back on power? Fall back on Pay for Live?

2 sources have now confirmed that Microsoft wanted to get the system stuff out the way so gamers can watch E3 and see just games. That to me is really good from Microsoft. 90 minutes of games and demos of Xbox One games and a surprise 360 announcement we know about. 2 events both catering for different audiences ( and the audience that likes both games and multimedia ).

Either way you look at it, Sony imo are the ones that need to show a big exclusive game list at E3 to release in its first year. Otherwise Sony may look really silly at E3 this year.

 

I expect 

Forza 5 full gameplay live

Quantum Break full gameplay live

Ryse full gameplay live

Killer Instinct full gameplay live

Kinect One full gameplay live

Kinect Sports One full gameplay live

 

Titles that could be sequel announcements: 

Conker

Banjo 3

Blast Corps

Jet Force Gemini

Halo Wars

PGR 5

Battletoads

Among many many more IPS they own.



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ArnoldRimmer said:
Adinnieken said:

No.  Kinect 2 is significantly better than Kinect.  They aren't even comparable. 

Kinect used a passive infrared system, where an area is blanketted with IR light, and the temperature/strength of that light is measured to calculate the distance.  It's a technology that's fraught with peril, as it can easily be washed out in bright sunlight. 

Kinect 2 uses a passive infrared system, where a laser scans the room and depth and motion is measured based on the time it takes for the light (photons) to return from the surface it's shot at.  This is the same technology used by satellites to map the earth, it's called LIDAR.  Kinect 2 is so much better than Kinect, that it is possible for Kinect 2 to measure your heart rate.  In fact, it is possible for it to detect certain medical conditions as they're happening.

Any source for those claims? Because everything I've read so far sounded like Kinect 2 is pretty much Kinect 1, just at a higher resolution (+ a new infrared stream, which however sounded like it was pretty much only useful as a low-resolution replacement for the RGB stream in low-light sitations).

Now I would agree that increasing the resolution is a clear improvement that should help accuracy, but I'd hardly call that "not even comparable to Kinect 1".

Then you haven't read anything informed.

What Time of Flight cameras are and how they work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-of-flight_camera

Read the specifications of the following two patents.  The second of these you will see demonstrated in the video below.  The first one, under the specifications, describes the use of a ToF system to capture motion

http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220130129224%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20130129224&RS=DN/20130129224

http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220120300040%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20120300040&RS=DN/20120300040

3DZ is a company that Microsoft purchased in March 2009, before Kinect was released.  Initially it was speculated that this was the technology that Microsoft was using in Kinect, however prior to E3 2010, PrimeSense announced in a press release that it was the technology behind Kinect.  This was backed by Kudo Tsunoda when he mentioned in an interview how they used a PrimeSense device in their intial design.

The ZCam was 3DZ's ToF Web cam that they had, only months before, shown at CES 2009.  This is technology that Microsoft owns.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZCam

Shortly after E3 2009, Microsoft announced that it would be buying Canesta.  An IC maker, whose claim to fame were ToF eproms and sensors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canesta

At 2:00 mins, you see the aforementioned patent demonstrated. 

http://gizmodo.com/kinect-2-full-video-walkthrough-the-xbox-sees-you-like-509155673

Finally, because me saying it isn't enough...about 50 seconds in.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/video-watch-us-flail-in-front-of-the-xbox-ones-new-kinect/

You can also watch the architectural overview video.

http://majornelson.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-architecture-panel/

About 8:13 start watching.



SxyxS said:
yusuf is just arabs best ping pong player-from jerkanistan.even a pk is no reason for him to stop playing.

When ms showed kinect the first time at the e3 it was faked,why should they change their tactics aslong as they get away with it.
Sony doing the same-they'd be destroyed by the us press .

Because if you actually watch the Kinect 2 demonstration videos available on several other sites, you'll see how well it works.

The noise cancellation of Kinect 2 is phenominal.  The demonstrate the actual audio captured by the sensor, then playback the audio after it's been processed by Kinect 2.  There would be no need to fake it. 



It was a little Indian boy behind the scene, switching the channels...



 Adinnieken said:
SxyxS said:
yusuf is just arabs best ping pong player-from jerkanistan.even a pk is no reason for him to stop playing.

When ms showed kinect the first time at the e3 it was faked,why should they change their tactics aslong as they get away with it.
Sony doing the same-they'd be destroyed by the us press .

Because if you actually watch the Kinect 2 demonstration videos available on several other sites, you'll see how well it works.

The noise cancellation of Kinect 2 is phenominal.  The demonstrate the actual audio captured by the sensor, then playback the audio after it's been processed by Kinect 2.  There would be no need to fake it. 


The power of the shape-chip! MS has developped an enormous dedicated audio-chip which seems to be extremely powerful:

http://beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1731360&postcount=2964

"The SHAPE audio block and processing cores are really quite powerful (it's probably the closest thing in the actual hardware to the silly 'special sauce' claims).

Theoretically, they can free the main CPU from processing audio entirely - which is quite a benefit given games can use as many as 3 of the 6 CPU threads on 360 for audio.

Nevermind it also handling Kinect MEC and voice recognition which previously consumed CPU time from the game as well (as bkilian said above).

The SHAPE audio block alone is more than 100GF (though it can't really be counted that way since it's not general purpose FLOPS). The alpha kits had an extra 8 CPU cores to emulate the sound block but even that wasn't enough processing power so they never implemented the emulation
That's also where some early rumours of Durango having a 16 core CPU came from.

 I don't think the PS4 has similarly capable fixed function audio hardware, so this helps compensate for the extra CPU core that's reserved on Durango."



that was actually the one thing that really impressed me at their reveal(well that and the Halo tv series)
shame that it might be false...what the hell, did they just have a paperwieght up there?