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RenCutypoison on 23 May 2013

XBone CPU, according to the size of the thing and the probability of big fat fan, may be clocked higher than PS4 isn't it ?

EDIT : Goes for the GPU too



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drkohler on 23 May 2013
RenCutypoison said:

XBone CPU, according to the size of the thing and the probability of big fat fan, may be clocked higher than PS4 isn't it ?

EDIT : Goes for the GPU too

And you conclude that because you have seen the PS4's fan? Or because you like the fan size? What do you mean by "the size of the thing"? You have seen the PS4 SoC die size?



Netyaroze on 23 May 2013
RenCutypoison said:

XBone CPU, according to the size of the thing and the probability of big fat fan, may be clocked higher than PS4 isn't it ?

EDIT : Goes for the GPU too


Nope. First of even at 1ghz Gpu Clock Xbone would be weaker. 

 

Also half of the chip is just Esram its not actually doing anything. Just helping the DDR3 not to be a crippling bottleneck.

 

Also cooling is supposed to be 4 times quiter than on the Xbox 360. You would need a big ass fan to achieve that. The Cooling is not an indicator for the clockspeed. And thanks to 32 Esram its a big ass chip. If they want to clock higher they would have to discard more chips that can't go that high. Also TDP is supposedly just 100 Watt. So no chance.



Zero999 on 23 May 2013
HoloDust said:
Zero999 said:
HoloDust said:

Its not actually the size of user base I was referring to, but rather their buying habits. As Wii has shown, you can put CoD on it, but still, no matter the huge user base, it will sell only small fraction of what it sold on platforms that have user bases that are, though smaller, actually interested in buying those type of titles.

That's where 2nd problems kicks in - WiiU's hardware is much, much, much closer to PS360 than to XOne/PS4, and for the next-gen standards that is really weak. If WiiU performed (as some were hoping for way back in a day, myself included) at the level of HD4850-4870 (or equivalent), most 3rd parties would have no problems porting easily to it, no matter the user base.

bolded one:You can't expect a crappy port to sell the same as the other versions. the wii ports were just too bellow.

bolded 2: wrong. and also, even if wii u hardware was exactly like the ps360, the difference would be far smaller than wii vs ps360. third party's won't have problems to port, hardware wise.

As things stand now, XOne is some 5-6x WiiU (and 8x 360 as confirmed by MS), and PS4 8-9x, and that's if WiiU's GPU is indeed 320 shader part, and not 160 as some suggest. But, sure, whatever makes you happy.

bolded: wrong on both affirmatives. go do some math.



wvelting on 23 May 2013
michael_stutzer said:
sales2099 said:
Wasn't PS3 being boasted for similar things?

In the end, because multiplats are the bulk of libraries, they will be made to tailer to Xbox and PS4, and they will be made as equal as possible.

Only exclusives can set them apart, but I suspect even then the graphics gap will be minimal.

Keep telling yourself that. Ps3 had a significantly worse GPU. Look at the graphical differences in exclusive games. Here there is a 50% power  difference. 50% I tell you.

Hmmm... everyone that says that the Wii U is 2-3 times more powerfu than the 360 says that the two systems are the same.  Now you say that one has 50% more (1.5 times) power and it makes a huge differnce.   Fans will bend anything to make it work in their favor.  None of the new systems can match my i7, yet I'm here to tell you, it's all going to come down to art direction.  The same game will look extremely similar on both systems and even the Wii U wont be left behind like with the Wii.  I guess people just aren't going to believe it until they have the games to play that prove it



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HoloDust on 23 May 2013
Zero999 said:
HoloDust said:
Zero999 said:

bolded one:You can't expect a crappy port to sell the same as the other versions. the wii ports were just too bellow.

bolded 2: wrong. and also, even if wii u hardware was exactly like the ps360, the difference would be far smaller than wii vs ps360. third party's won't have problems to port, hardware wise.

As things stand now, XOne is some 5-6x WiiU (and 8x 360 as confirmed by MS), and PS4 8-9x, and that's if WiiU's GPU is indeed 320 shader part, and not 160 as some suggest. But, sure, whatever makes you happy.

bolded: wrong on both affirmatives. go do some math.

Sorry, I have no time to repeat for the n-th time the same lessons in comparing GPUs (neither to argue with people who don't believe official MS info on XOne vs 360). Dig through old threads and you will find comparisons between VLIW5 and GCN, along with aggregate scores of GPUs inside current and next-gen systems.



Zero999 on 23 May 2013
HoloDust said:
Zero999 said:
HoloDust said:
Zero999 said:

bolded one:You can't expect a crappy port to sell the same as the other versions. the wii ports were just too bellow.

bolded 2: wrong. and also, even if wii u hardware was exactly like the ps360, the difference would be far smaller than wii vs ps360. third party's won't have problems to port, hardware wise.

As things stand now, XOne is some 5-6x WiiU (and 8x 360 as confirmed by MS), and PS4 8-9x, and that's if WiiU's GPU is indeed 320 shader part, and not 160 as some suggest. But, sure, whatever makes you happy.

bolded: wrong on both affirmatives. go do some math.

Sorry, I have no time to repeat for the n-th time the same lessons in comparing GPUs (neither to argue with people who don't believe official MS info on XOne vs 360). Dig through old threads and you will find comparisons between VLIW5 and GCN, along with aggregate scores of GPUs inside current and next-gen systems.

do simple math and see that xbox one would have to be between 24 and 32x the xbox360 in order to be 8x the wii u.



JWeinCom on 23 May 2013

TBH I don't find the difference in graphics between Wii U and PS4 enough to matter to me. So, obviously I don't think a 50% gap between the PS4 and XBone will matter very much to me.



AnthonyW86 on 24 May 2013

Actually if we count in the much higher bandwidth it 50% at the very least and up to twice as powerfull depending on the game engine. Just check any HD7770 vs HD7850, performance difference range from 50% up to almost 100%.



think-man on 24 May 2013
JWeinCom said:
TBH I don't find the difference in graphics between Wii U and PS4 enough to matter to me. So, obviously I don't think a 50% gap between the PS4 and XBone will matter very much to me.

Whaaaaaat!!!???? least you're being honest :/



 

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