I don't know how successful Move was (saleswise) but I doubt that there are so many Kinect-customers that no core-gamer bought it. The reason why they bought it and how they judge Kinect (or Move) now we don't know.
But both MS and Sony will again focus on motion-controls (of unknown ratio in contrast to core-games we don't know) so it will come to us either way.

oh i understand, but IMHO they tried that with WIi and it didnt really work, its not like core games got popular that only had that option. Ill use Zelda neither of the WIi games did any better than the prior ones, i would argue they did worst considering none have toppled OoT and that was released on a less popular console, matter of fact they started adding the option for CC control for a lot of later Wii games.

thats still piss poor support though, cant really spin that, i know you dont care and are satisfied with one game, but i assure most people arent. Which is why motion+ gets so much flak, we should have been ass deep in games with how much are out there, its sad that their are less Move and Kinects but they have more games. I think you are letting your Ninty bias cloud your judgement a bit, you would say Zelda was better motion controls or not.

it had a sales dropoff long before Wii U hit the shelves

a full scale motion control... virtual reality esque?

I would hope so... but the sales of Red Steel 2 do not instill confidence.

What makes you think "they" haven't? I surely enjoy the Wii, and it's motion controlled games, and, despite liking Nintendo games (le gasp!), I consider myself "core." (To an extent, depending on what you define "core" as.)

It's been limited really, some but not many use motion controls. I like motion controls personally but i don't really have the space to use them so i have to use a controller. But i don't think "hands free gaming" is a good idea

well its simple, the games that are coming out. the ones directed at the "core" simply do not use motion controls almost all the times. im not downplaying the Wii or suggesting ALL those who play it are "casuals" or that nintendo fans are casuals. but its well known why the Wii was a success, because it attracted new consumers and people who didnt play video games before like soccer moms, grandparents and so on. 

what makes me think they havent? well im looking at the PS3 and 360.  you dont see people going on and on about the kinect or move and how they want naughty dog or the Epic games making motion control games. the type of games coming out for them also suggest that MS and sony know this. 

nothing really to be offended by. im not implying that every Wii owner is casual and none of them are core gamers. but the reason why the wii sold so much was because it catered to a new market, the so called "casuals". it expanded the market by offering a product that appeals to another audince, i thought that was very much well known. why people are taking so much offense in this thread is beyond me, its really easy to notice that motion controls are not really well recieved within the core crowd, just look at the games from ubisoft (ac4, watch dogs), rockstar with gta, EA with Mass effect and battlefield and so on, none of these games can be fully played with motion controlls. and none of these companies are making games like these that appeal to the core that use motion controls only, why? its simple, there is no demand, there is no appeal