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Jay520 on 19 May 2013
Vertigo-X said:

But didn't the woman do something being "well aware of the consequences"? Why is it only about her rights to her body?


The woman has to deal with the consequences as well. But because of nature, the consequences of unprotected sex for a woman is pregnancy, which she can choose to go through with or not. 



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the2real4mafol on 19 May 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
the2real4mafol said:
sc94597 said:
the2real4mafol said:
sc94597 said:
the2real4mafol said:
ultima said:
the2real4mafol said:
What a bastard, if he didn't want a kid yet then don't have sex! Don't trick your girl into having an abortion, especially if she don't want that. The women gives birth, so it's exclusively their choice if they want an abortion or not

I agree with you that it's the woman's choice to have the child or not. But what of the father? Should he get the choice of "financial abortion"?

What is "financial abortion"? I have never heard of it

Meaning that a father can decide early on that he doesn't have to pay child support. 

I though they had a choice on this even if the baby was born ,even though it shows how bad they are as a person

If the father decides he doesn't want anything to do with the child, the mother can bring the state in and force him to pay child support. Even if he doesn't have a job and cannot pay, he will go to prison. At least that's how it works here in Pennsylvania. 

It don't work like that in the UK and i know because my so called dad don't finanicially support me and he hasn't done so for about 10 years now (he split with my mum). 

I just think your mom didn't bother because going through the legal system is stupid as shit and a huge bothersome. My ex didn't either, she just ran off and my mom didn't either because it wouldn't be worth it because in the courts eyes my dad doesn't make anything

We tried to get money from him but he lied about his wages so got away with it



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the2real4mafol on 19 May 2013
SamuelRSmith said:
the2real4mafol said:

It don't work like that in the UK and i know because my so called dad don't finanicially support me and he hasn't done so for about 10 years now (he split with my mum). 


It does. The Child Support Agency determines the amount that the separated parent must pay the parent with child.

I think it only applied to up to 16 years old, and certain people won't have to pay (prisoners, students, unemployed). My uncle decided to give up working so that he wouldn't have to pay for his kids.... he chose homelessness over supporting his children. Still, he manages to afford a phoneplan, somehow, so I get to read his daily racist posts on FB.

There are some proper arseholes out there, including my so called dad!



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KungKras on 19 May 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
ultima said:

Seriously dude? It was obviously a metaphor. It should've been clear, because, if nothing else, I asserted that it can't be called killing, then immediately afterwards talked about a guy comitting murder.

Edit: your position seems very inconsistent. You claim in another post that you're fine with the woman having the final say in whether the fetus gets an eventual birth or not. Why don't you want to charger her with murder if a fetus really is a human?

Why not charge her with murder? Because I feel taking away abortion would lead to other problems. Like women looking for more drastic methods to kill their unborn child.

So if people want to have abortions, whatever. I don't want to stop them. But don't tell me a fetus isn't a person so you can sleep better at night.

Does a fetus know that it is a fetus?

Didn't think so.



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KungKras on 19 May 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
The fact that you still think the hangover point is still an argument says volumes. Have you ever taken a logic course? If so you should realize it's a test and since everyone who sees it says its absurd then it worked.

Oh, and I use English everyday. First language. Are you giving me thousands to write well? No. Am I working for you? no. I don't give no shits.

Your "test" is logically invalid.

There are no known reasonable ways to prevent hangovers, so that comparison simply falls flat.



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KungKras on 19 May 2013
Player1x3 said:
curl-6 said:
Jay520 said:
curl-6 said:
Jay520 said:
No, he probably didn't decide to have a baby. BUT he did make the decision to take part in an activity which had a high risk of him being a parent. He took a risk, so he should be prepared to accept the consequences of this risk.

Just because society is fucked up and people treat sex like a game doesn't mean it isn't serious and people shouldn't have to pay the consequences. That's a weak argument.

This isn't the stone age, sex and procreation are no longer one and the same. There's nothing "fucked up" about having sex for fun.


Sure, you can treat sex like a fun little game if you want, by its fucked up if you don't take responsibility when the real and serious consequences result. Just because you partake in an activity for fun, doesn't mean you shouldn't take responsibility for the consequences of that activity

What's fucked up is parenthood being forced on someone.

You can always give your child to an adoption system. What's REALLY fucked up is denying someone's chance to live a human life because you're an irresponsible cowardly fucktard (regardless of gender)

An un-sentient clump of cells is not "someone"



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Max King of the Wild on 19 May 2013
KungKras said:
Max King of the Wild said:
The fact that you still think the hangover point is still an argument says volumes. Have you ever taken a logic course? If so you should realize it's a test and since everyone who sees it says its absurd then it worked.

Oh, and I use English everyday. First language. Are you giving me thousands to write well? No. Am I working for you? no. I don't give no shits.

Your "test" is logically invalid.

There are no known reasonable ways to prevent hangovers, so that comparison simply falls flat.

Just as reasonable as preventing pregnancy. The consequence is there for both each time you do it and people are aware



Player1x3 on 19 May 2013
KungKras said:
Player1x3 said:
curl-6 said:
Jay520 said:
curl-6 said:
Jay520 said:
No, he probably didn't decide to have a baby. BUT he did make the decision to take part in an activity which had a high risk of him being a parent. He took a risk, so he should be prepared to accept the consequences of this risk.

Just because society is fucked up and people treat sex like a game doesn't mean it isn't serious and people shouldn't have to pay the consequences. That's a weak argument.

This isn't the stone age, sex and procreation are no longer one and the same. There's nothing "fucked up" about having sex for fun.


Sure, you can treat sex like a fun little game if you want, by its fucked up if you don't take responsibility when the real and serious consequences result. Just because you partake in an activity for fun, doesn't mean you shouldn't take responsibility for the consequences of that activity

What's fucked up is parenthood being forced on someone.

You can always give your child to an adoption system. What's REALLY fucked up is denying someone's chance to live a human life because you're an irresponsible cowardly fucktard (regardless of gender)

An un-sentient clump of cells is not "someone"


These types of posts make me wanna vomit. 

Those ''clump of cells'' are a developing human being.  Their sentiment is being developed inside the womb (if it's lucky enough not to be killed by the likes of you)



sc94597 on 19 May 2013
Jay520 said:
sc94597 said:
Jay520 said:
@sc

You seem to be referring to the morality of abortion, which is not what I was talking about. I'm talking about who should take responsibility and who has power

Both the man and woman should take a responsibility, because:
(a) The man chose to make decisions that results in a baby - sex; and
(b) The woman chose to make decisions that results in a baby - sex and refusing to abort.
Because both parties made decisions that resulted in a baby, both should take responsibility for a baby.

Both a man and woman have the power to decide on having a baby because a baby requires:
(a) A man who agrees to sex, which can result in a baby; and
(b) A woman who agrees to sex and does not abort, which results in a baby.

From this, we can conclude that no one can force someone to be a parent, because in order to be a parent, that person needs to make decisions which risk the birth of a baby.

So the woman makes a mistake -> she can abort the baby. 

A man makes a mistake -> oh well you're a parent. I see! Equality, huh? 


What? There is no mistake...There is no man in the world that accidentally slipped their penis into a woman's vagina and ejaculated. We're talking about men who make conscious decision to fertilized a woman. Once the man does this, its over; we shouldn't feel sorry for him or give him the ability to abort the baby. He made a decision. Deal with it.

Yes, 9 months after conception, women have more time to change their decision, but so what? That's nature. Why should we feel sorry for the man and give him special powers?

Frankly, my argument is that we shouldn't give the woman special powers. Do not legalize abortion for irresponsible women. Only allow it for women who have health risks or were raped (and even the latter case is contesable.) There is no natural right to kill a fetus. And no, this isn't morality I'm assuming, but natural law. 



sc94597 on 19 May 2013
ultima said:
Mr Puggsly said:
ultima said:

Seriously dude? It was obviously a metaphor. It should've been clear, because, if nothing else, I asserted that it can't be called killing, then immediately afterwards talked about a guy comitting murder.

Edit: your position seems very inconsistent. You claim in another post that you're fine with the woman having the final say in whether the fetus gets an eventual birth or not. Why don't you want to charger her with murder if a fetus really is a human?

Why not charge her with murder? Because I feel taking away abortion would lead to other problems. Like women looking for more drastic methods to kill their unborn child.

So if people want to have abortions, whatever. I don't want to stop them. But don't tell me a fetus isn't a person so you can sleep better at night.

So? If the fetus is a child, then it's murder, regardless of the method used to abort. So, if the fetus is a child, then women should be charged with murder for abortion too.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying a fetus is not a person to get better shut-eye at night; trust me, I have no trouble falling asleep in the worst of times. I truly believe that a fetus is not a person. How do you justify calling a fetus a person? A fetus is a potential person. So is a sperm cell, so is an egg. Is it then also murder for men to masturbate, or for women to go through a menstrual cycle without conceiving?

Sperm cells will not develop into a person on their own, neither will eggs. Once conception occurs development begins. Consequently, a unique diploid organism is produced, and humans only come in diploid form. That's the difference between an egg or sperm cell and a fetus.