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NoirSon said:

Yes.

Now I love Nintendo but within the last few years, they have loss sight of how to properly market their hardware and in some cases their software. Grant the Nintendo directs are pretty good but to the mass market that doesn't already follow Nintendo news online or on their consoles this doesn't really help them much.

It isn't just that they are not appealing to the traditional Western gamer, it is that they are not moving in a way that inspires loyalty or diversity among the audiences and potential developers. Falling back on traditional cash generators is fine but not to the degree that Nintendo took with the Western markets in the final years of the Wii.

They also do appear to have become a joke among the Western developers mainly due the fullfilling prophecy that they can't compete with Mario or Zelda and the fact that Nintendo hasn't been making their consoles with the latest chipsets that those working for the larger companies are expecting.


Actually the Wii U has great western 3rd party support if you exclude EA, which is slowly dying. Plus not only is the Wii U getting the same games as the PS3/360 which Microsoft makes sure it comes out on PC for more cash in Microsoft's pocket, but e Wii U is actually getting western exclusives like ZombiU 1 & 2 & Wonderful 101 & Lego City Undercover & Bayonetta 2 & so fort, while the PS3 shares its once exclusives with Microsoft.

The problem is that it doesn't have system sellers for the Wii U yet. Wario will help this June but it needs Wonderful 101 and way more importantly Pikmin 3 which will sale the Hardware big time, and then there's the Fall games finishing the job with Mario Kart & more Mario (people still play platformers) & other games this Fall to sale the system like Wii Fit U & so fort.

The general public does not know and this is a big problem, but once the games come out Nintendo will advertise on TV and many other places for their games like Pikmin 3 & Mario & so fort.

So Nintendo's problem with Wii U is not letting the general public know and software, but until Nintendo gets the system sellers on the Wii U they will have no reason to advertise when the software is not there, but once the software comes out they will have every reason to advertise and do so. They don't want to lose the general public they have now, so ey will wait for Pikmin 3 to advertise it, and they will wait for Wii Fit U & Mario to advertise those. Nintendo cares about trust with the general public too.

Plus Nintendo also relies on selling enou Hardware so they don't have to advertise almost at all anymore, like they said about the 3DS once it sold 8 or so million, they felt the user base was enough to spread the word with no money spent and they where right. Of course they still advertise system sellers.

Long story short, too late; Nintendo is doing the exact same strategy with the Wii U that they did with the 3DS but without the need for price cut, which means they learned more than they have been telling people.

I think the end of August will show us how great the Wii U sales can do without Mario.

The Wii U gets the high end graphics western games like the PS3/360 and it gets some western exclusives which is more rare for the PS3 & 360 these days.

I'm curious to see what happens with "Killer Freaks from Outer Space" if Ubisoft ever figures out a better way to make the game, because so far it plays like a weaker version of ZombiU 1 & 2.



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Here is a better question what position would Microsoft and Sony be in if they had the same 3rd party support as Nintendo?

So I don't think they have lost touch with N America but rather don't have enough support from 3rd party to give consumers a reason to make a Nintendo their primary console.



 

 

zorg1000 said:

y shit kaizer. I never said HDTV sold better yhan 3DTV Iit the same time span. I juat wanted a link since I wasnt sure if its true. The fact that u cant provide that leads me to beleive its false.

And ur delusional if u believe all those games were made solely because it has 3D. DS sold over 150 million, its common sense that developers r going to aupport its successor. Most of those games added 3D just because 3DS has it.

2011
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/3d-television-and-projector-sales-are-on-the-rise/

2012

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topic/314637-report-3dtv-sales-rise-despite-consumer-indifference/

2013

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tcl-multimedias-lcd-tv-sales-130100113.html

And the PS2 sold over 150 million but developers didn't give PS3 games like King of Pirates & Bravely Default & Kingdom Hearts 3D & new Persona coming & Monster Hunter 4 & so fort.

None of those links say anything about 3D TVs selling better than HDTVs first few years, which Iis what I thought u were implying. Also the first article says 3D was ranked lower than screen size, resolution and internet as reasons to purchase TVs.

Ur second point makes no sense, I can name hindreds of games that are on PS3 but not 3DS.

The 3D TVs sales currently increased, which is what I was saying about compare 2012 to 2013 like the 45 3D movies last year vs. the around 70 3D movies this year.

On the other subject: But would you play Resident evil 6 & Final Fantasy 13 over Kingdom Hearts 3D & Resident Evil Revelations?

Doesn't anyone care about the quality of beloved titles anymore?

I agree on those 2 examples but theres a huge amount of quality titles on PS3, those 2 games arent the best by far.


Like Mass Effect & Bioshock & etc.

The problem is that none of these quality titles is exclusives. 

The PS2 use to have a lot of exclusives but now the PS3 shares with 360 and the 360 is Microsoft's way to bring them to the PC.

The 3DS is sadly the only system getting any exclusives from 3rd party Devs at a major amount. Plus the Japnese Devs have been making a lot of new IPs just for the 3DS. I'm looking forward to some of these like bravely default & beyond the labyrinth & Youkai watch & project X zone & kokuga, but that's my personal taste.

The 3DS is clearly getting more better treatment then the DS, let alone DS successor could ever hope for, and the only thing different is the 3D. otherwise it functions the same as the DS with the same old upgrade in graphics every new gen system gets automatically. Monster Hunter 4 should look amazing after I have seen Monster Hunter 3 definitve version on the 3DS via demo from eShop.



Kaizar said:
NoirSon said:

Yes.

Now I love Nintendo but within the last few years, they have loss sight of how to properly market their hardware and in some cases their software. Grant the Nintendo directs are pretty good but to the mass market that doesn't already follow Nintendo news online or on their consoles this doesn't really help them much.

It isn't just that they are not appealing to the traditional Western gamer, it is that they are not moving in a way that inspires loyalty or diversity among the audiences and potential developers. Falling back on traditional cash generators is fine but not to the degree that Nintendo took with the Western markets in the final years of the Wii.

They also do appear to have become a joke among the Western developers mainly due the fullfilling prophecy that they can't compete with Mario or Zelda and the fact that Nintendo hasn't been making their consoles with the latest chipsets that those working for the larger companies are expecting.


Actually the Wii U has great western 3rd party support if you exclude EA, which is slowly dying. Plus not only is the Wii U getting the same games as the PS3/360 which Microsoft makes sure it comes out on PC for more cash in Microsoft's pocket, but e Wii U is actually getting western exclusives like ZombiU 1 & 2 & Wonderful 101 & Lego City Undercover & Bayonetta 2 & so fort, while the PS3 shares its once exclusives with Microsoft.

The problem is that it doesn't have system sellers for the Wii U yet. Wario will help this June but it needs Wonderful 101 and way more importantly Pikmin 3 which will sale the Hardware big time, and then there's the Fall games finishing the job with Mario Kart & more Mario (people still play platformers) & other games this Fall to sale the system like Wii Fit U & so fort.

The general public does not know and this is a big problem, but once the games come out Nintendo will advertise on TV and many other places for their games like Pikmin 3 & Mario & so fort.

So Nintendo's problem with Wii U is not letting the general public know and software, but until Nintendo gets the system sellers on the Wii U they will have no reason to advertise when the software is not there, but once the software comes out they will have every reason to advertise and do so. They don't want to lose the general public they have now, so ey will wait for Pikmin 3 to advertise it, and they will wait for Wii Fit U & Mario to advertise those. Nintendo cares about trust with the general public too.

Plus Nintendo also relies on selling enou Hardware so they don't have to advertise almost at all anymore, like they said about the 3DS once it sold 8 or so million, they felt the user base was enough to spread the word with no money spent and they where right. Of course they still advertise system sellers.

Long story short, too late; Nintendo is doing the exact same strategy with the Wii U that they did with the 3DS but without the need for price cut, which means they learned more than they have been telling people.

I think the end of August will show us how great the Wii U sales can do without Mario.

The Wii U gets the high end graphics western games like the PS3/360 and it gets some western exclusives which is more rare for the PS3 & 360 these days.

I'm curious to see what happens with "Killer Freaks from Outer Space" if Ubisoft ever figures out a better way to make the game, because so far it plays like a weaker version of ZombiU 1 & 2.

For once we agree on something



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

Wow.. 130k a week is poor? What is wrong with you people?



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Yakuzaice said:
Kaizar said:

The HD consoles are the only home consoles.

The fact that more & more new content in theaters is recorded in 3D under every genre including comedy & romance, shows that it's moving more sales in the theaters. We went from 45 3D movies in 2012 to around 70 3D movies in 2013, so clearly it's successful when the only movie this year converted from 2D is both Star Trek 2 & the re-releases excluding what's showing in the Egyptian theater this September which are all recorded in 3D despite being re-releases.

The sales of 2D HD TV have drop like a mothertrucker, while the sales of 3D TVs continues to rise.

And if what you said about the PSP/PS Vita was true then 3rd parties wouldn't be making games for the Wii like The Last Story & Xenoblade Chronicles & Epic Mickey 1 & Crystal Chronicles The Crystal Bearers & Pandora's Tower because the GameCube software sales as well as the Wii software sales where mediocre, especially the 3rd party sales on these 2 home consoles.

And no one would make another Superman movie so soon after Superman Returns and we know it. And Sin City sequels where canned during the 2D era of the 21st century. The Great Gatsby is all about 3D cinematography to tell the story. And I could go on.

And why is that?  If nobody cared about HD, then why are the PS2 and Wii not still dominating?  You can't say games, because using your logic, the fact that publishers made HD games means that people love HD.

Ticket sales are still well below their peak 11 years ago in the US, and that is with more movies being released than ever.  Three out of the top 4 movies last year were not released in 3D.  It would seem based on the data that 3D is being used to squeeze more money out of a smaller market.  If people were going crazy about 3D, surely they'd be seeing more movies, not less.

The sales of TV's overall have dropped.  Surely if the public was chomping at the bit for 3D this wouldn't be the case.  All those hundreds of millions with HDTV's they apparently didn't care about ought to be rushing out to buy 3DTV's.  Also 3DTV's are still a small minority of overall TV sales.  Once again, if the public doesn't care about HD and loves 3D, why are they buying more HDTV's?  That's even assuming people are buying 3DTV's for 3D content.  A lot of times if you want a higher end TV it will be 3D whether you want it or not.

Three out of five of those Wii games you mentioned were published by Nintendo.  Also the Gamecube got a Crystal Chronicles game that sold moderately well.  So that leaves Epic Mickey which was released four years into the Wii's life when it had already sold significant amounts of hardware.  Not in anyway equivalent to the PSV situation.  I really don't see your point.  I could name five random Vita games too, but that doesn't mean it is getting good support.

It has been 7 years since Superman Returns.  They rebooted Batman after 8 years, Spider-Man after 5 years, Hulk after 5 years.

I just really don't understand what goes on in your head.
Movie reboot or sequel is announced with 3D.  It never would have happened without 3D!
A game is released for the 3DS with 3D in the title.  Would have been on Vita if not for 3D!
3DTV's might be outpacing HDTV sales, though that data never seems to actually get posted.  People don't care about HD, love 3D!
Some games were released on the Wii. Therefore all games would be on Vita/consoles if not for the 3D in 3DS!
3DS has a Kingdom Hearts and Resident Evil.  3DS is getting all the support, consoles only have FFXIII and RE6! (do you really think these are the only games on PS3/360 for some reason you've brought it up multiple times.)

I could go on, but there's not much point.  There just isn't any logic to your claims.  This isn't even getting into the made up numbers you've posted in the past.


The PS2 has still sold more then the PS3 & 360. Same goes for the Wii which is still ahead by around 25 million.

The PS3 & 360 won't sale as much in lifetime sales then the Wii & PS2.

The reason why ticket sales are still low from 11 years ago is because of bootlegs (as shown in Seinfeld LOL) & recently streaming via Netflix & Hulu plus & etc. The only reason people have to go to theaters when they can stream the 2D movies online and download the bootlegs is because there is now 3D movies that you won't be able to view in 3D online yet. Cable lost sales to Netflix as well and to a smaller extent the other streaming providers. And the ticket price of 3D movies is going down while the price of 2D movies is going up to match dead even later this year in theaters.

The sales of 2D HD TVs have drop fast which has drag the TV market down, but 3D TVs sales are up higher & higher these days. So that just shows that no one wants HD is all.

And the moderate at best software sales of the Wii is what I mean, because 3rd party Devs still continue to make new games exclusively for the Wii despite the Wii having nothing but bad to moderate software sales thruout its lifespam and the GameCube before it as well in software sales. The PS3 & 360 have been sharing their games with each other and the PC & Wii U.

Batman was successful and so was spider-man so of course they got reboots easily. But Superman has been going down hill since Superman 3 let alone 4 & 5(Returns). The Superman reboot is way to risky for any studio to touch with a 50 foot poll, so to take a chance on that would mean they would need something more then just a good script to expect a profit in box office sales. But you clearly don't know what it's like for Hollywood to even consider making reboots of movies that did poorly in the box office like DareDevil & super Mario bros., and ey are making a Super Mario Bros. 2 as Jon Hamm mention on Jimmy Kimmel Live when he revealed that he went for the casting call to play Luigi but got turn down.

And I was talking about the 3DS not sharing games like monster hunter 4 & kingdom hearts 3D, while the HD consoles get low quality games like resident evil 6 & FF13 and they aren't even exclusives and they have such poor quality.



Cobretti2 said:
Here is a better question what position would Microsoft and Sony be in if they had the same 3rd party support as Nintendo?

So I don't think they have lost touch with N America but rather don't have enough support from 3rd party to give consumers a reason to make a Nintendo their primary console.


Unlike Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft actually take developers seriously and cater to their wants and needs when designing their hardware, so it's a moot point. Their system isn't about them, it's about the market at large and how to be THE system.

Sometimes I get the feeling Nintendo doesn't want any serious competition on their own consoles, otherwise I just can't make sense of it.

Regardless, as far as on topic goes, North Americans will buy the Wii U in droves for the next Mario Kart, they will buy it in droves for the next Smash Bros, and I think it will do absolutely amazing at the end of this year and into the next... But after that, I really think it's pretty much done sales wise, I really don't see it having the legs the 360 and PS3 had for instance, and beyond those two titles, without serious 3rd party of something like Wii Sports that they already failed to achieve,  I don't see anything but price cut after price cut seriously pushing systems.

Yes, people will buy the next Zelda, and the next Metroid, and the next 3D Mario in the millions, sure, but I don't think any of those will sell systems to people that Smash didn't already sell to. At least for the most part. Seeing mid thirty million lifetime.



The sales of 2D HD TVs have drop fast which has drag the TV market down, but 3D TVs sales are up higher & higher these days. So that just shows that no one wants HD is all.

I'm assuming you mean, "no one wants HD [at] all". If so, I find this statement hard to believe. First of all from what I have read recently 3D is unpopular due to lack of content and discomfort with the technology. Second, even if 3D TVs are selling they are still HD and the 3D feature may go unused. The few people I know who have 3D TVs never use the 3D feature. While you're first statement may be true, the second one is quite a long stretch. 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2012/09/29/3d-tv-viewership-rate/1602741/

http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-admits-3d-tv-demand-underwhelming-13222753/

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-57329573-17/3dtv-sales-rise-but-do-owners-care-about-the-third-dimension/



DeadlyCatalyst said:
Wow.. 130k a week is poor? What is wrong with you people?

A month. It's sub 130k either way, 360 was 130k.



joesampson said:

The sales of 2D HD TVs have drop fast which has drag the TV market down, but 3D TVs sales are up higher & higher these days. So that just shows that no one wants HD is all.

I'm assuming you mean, "no one wants HD [at] all". If so, I find this statement hard to believe. First of all from what I have read recently 3D is unpopular due to lack of content and discomfort with the technology. Second, even if 3D TVs are selling they are still HD and the 3D feature may go unused. The few people I know who have 3D TVs never use the 3D feature. While you're first statement may be true, the second one is quite a long stretch. 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2012/09/29/3d-tv-viewership-rate/1602741/

http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-admits-3d-tv-demand-underwhelming-13222753/

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-57329573-17/3dtv-sales-rise-but-do-owners-care-about-the-third-dimension/


Thank you for this post



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