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Will Guantanamo Bay ever close?

Yes 1 7.14%
 
No 9 64.29%
 
Maybe, after the war on terror/ eventually 4 28.57%
 
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America, so called "land of the free" certainly has a lot of oppressive measures in place. Especially recently with how its dealing with the hunger strike in Guantanamo Bay recently. It's bad enough, that such a place exists anyway. Yet forcing another country against it's will to deal with it, is just crazy. As i said, there has a been a hunger strike there and you may not of heard of it, but it's been going on for a while now. Why? because the detainees are fed up of being treated like sub-humans and want some dignity, whether they are terrorists or not. And so after years of torture and solitary confinement in appalling conditions, many of them are now hunger striking in a hope to show the world, what the real United States is like. A 100 years ago it may have been acceptable to treat people in such horrid ways, but we are in a time of democracy, human rights, some kind of transparency  and mass information. Despite the exaggerated threat from terrorists by mainstream media around the world, places like Guanatanamo Bay shouldn't exist at all. (If it's such a problem, why not break the constitution and torture the suspected terrorists in the USA? The torture is done by Americans anyway.) I hope these hunger strikers are successful in leading to the closure of Guantanamo Bay, not just for them but to make Obama accountable to at least 1 promise he made, to stand up for and follow the constitution that Americans are so proud of but also to finally free Cuba from the involvement it is forced to play in the "war on terror".

Read the article and see what you think

 http://rt.com/news/guantanamo-hunger-strike-100-336/



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Can't say I subscribe to your world view, mafol. Not at all.

P.S. Just watched Zero Dark Thirty for the third time, awesome movie.



I'm assuming that it takes quite a lot of bad karma to end up in such a place like that.

Good for them if they starve themselves to death. Less money we have to spend on food and taking care of them in the future. Let those subhumans die. =)



obama has promised to close guantanamo.

as obama has broken all his promises(it's pretty simple to see when he is lying=his lips are moving) the chances are 0% that guantanamo will ever be closed.

What is really strange:they already got the super jackpot of all terrorists:the main source,the guy they spent billions to catch him=obama bin laden,
they brought hell to afghanistan(which was a small hell before they came)to get him
and after 10 years of war and search.What did they do when they caught him?
they shot him!
but they still torture some poor pawns and 5th class anaphabet terrorists to get informations?
that's ridiculous.
they don't need this camp ,they never needed it and it is no problem for a state that can move 100000 soldiers within one week from one country to another,to move some dozens arabs from cuba to some militaryprisons.
they simply don't want to close guantanamo.Why?

I guess cuba is on USA's list of countries where they will bring deat.. oops democracy,freedom,wealth,prosperty and all that great stuff that turned vietnam,iraq,afghanistan etc into paradise.
They will use Guantanamo as main base and logistical centre to operate inside the country to prevent castro 2 from using chemical wmd's he doesn't have,
but first they have to destroy syria and iran before they turn to cuba.As this country has no oil it is one of the last on usa's hegemonial to do list.



There is no "after the war on terror". The definition can be extended to literally anyone and anything and is far too politically convenient to die.

And of course the only real way to combat terrorism is to not be terrorised by it - act like it didn't happen.



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Doubt it, they don't want it closed.



Why do you care so much about a bunch of catched terrorists?



when Obama get elected on his third term he will close it



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Slimebeast said:
Why do you care so much about a bunch of catched terrorists?

Because of the way they are treated, they are human beings and so deserve to be treated as such with rights. There are international conventions on human rights and yet for some reason don't apply here. Geneva in 1926 and the UN convention on human rights in 1948 are key here. But from the sounds of it, they are mostly suspects. You don't indefintely detain suspects without telling what they did with proof of it. 

and i find it very ironic for a country that takes great pride in freedom and democracy to have such places like Guantanamo Bay open. How can people take America seriously when they say they are fighting for democracy and yet anyone who opposes America butting in their own countrie's business is a terrorist. The American Goverment is as much a terrorist group as Al Qaeda is. With torture in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Drone strikes against numerous innocent people in Pakistan and the CIA trying to overthrow any regime out there that isn't conservative/ libertarian capitalist minded by means of assassination or sanction in a hope that a right wing government is formed. 

And I may have gone way off topic, but it's more than about so called terrorists. It's about America as a superpower who wants to intervene in everything, regardless of the consequences. When some people have enough of it, they are seen as terrorists by us and yet they have a good reason for not wanting the us involved in their countries. I focus on Guantanamo in this thread, just because it proves what the true American Government is like. It proves that despite a entrenched constitution which restricts government power existing for 250 years has little impact on them as it's not happening in their country. But somehow, it's right for Americans to torture people as it's not done on American soil. Sometimes, i wonder who the real terrorist is? Noam Chomsky seems to know anyway  



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Many of the people there are not even terrorists. They were caught up in large sweeps for terrorists. 59 or so Yemenis have been cleared for release but are still stuck there even though the US has deemed them not terrorists. Guantanamo Bay won't close any time soon because the congress (especially Republicans in congress) will continue to terrorize people at the prospect of holding trials, moving them to other prisons in the US and so on.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/15/eric-holder-yemenis-guantanamo

They might be released soon, hopefully.

There were Republican legislators who wanted the surviving Boston bomber (who is a US citizen) to have no trial and just go straight to Guantanamo, literally taking away all of the basic rights of Americans so they can pretend to be tough on terror.

The whole Guantanamo Bay detention camp is one of the most disgusting things the Bush administration started and Obama has probably calculated he can't close it down with so much Republican opposition and not pay a political price. He'd rather pay it elsewhere.

It also amazes me that people who pretend to be the most patriotic Americans are terrified of putting on trial (using the American system of laws) the terrorists that they claim are attacking the US for its free system.



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