I love how you are comparing some what of spinoff/remake title to mainline title to try and get point across (when I did the opposite). I mean you were better off comparing it to remake title surely, which it did do poorly by those standards, but seeing how it completely different direction from the franchise, I think it did some what fine (not amazing) namely when it is 1,200,000 million and might be closer to 1,700,000 million.When Pokemon 2019 comes out and sells 600,000, it would be huge disappointment, hell just 1 million would be awful. However now with your comments, I guess we can compare Pokemon 2019 to Pokemon Let's Go, and say it is huge success at 1 million (counting for user base growth) since they are equal titles. No point at comparing it with other mainline titles. 

Also did I ever use the word bomb? My exact words were  "anything below 500,000 would be pretty meh for the franchise". As in disappointing numbers when compared to what the franchise is capable of, just cause something is disappointing does not mean it is a bomb. 

I do love how you are super defensive over the notion, "smoking crack" comment made me laugh.

I simply thought you understood the very basics of math in that if a one-third decline from the very highest the series has ever reached (737k for KH2) is "meh" then a 55% decline from the very highest remake for Pokemon (1.53 million for ORAS) would be a bomb. I'm trying to understand your logic as it's rather inconsistent and not well-defined. Keep in mind that including digital in with KH3 would make the mentioned one-third decline even smaller.

See now you compared it with a reasonable title. Bravo, was that so hard? Now the difference still lies with two notions. One that this was new direction for the Pokemon games, which I did mention and second is when userbase defense can be used to for legs. If kingdom hearts has legs that are pretty amazing and rides it to higher numbers, it will erase the mehness of the first week. 

However back to Pokemon Go (Since for some reason you brought that up, thinking it would erase from conversation from Kingdom Hearts) I said it did do poorly compared to remakes, but numbers have since improved, hence why I am like it is alright. "it did do poorly by those standards, but seeing how it completely different direction from the franchise, I think it did some what fine (not amazing) namely when it is 1,200,000 million and might be closer to 1,700,000 million (last number when all said and done)."  (By the way, that is comparable to Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon numbers, that total, if you didn't know). 

Also I love how you like bringing "math" into this, what is this the second time you used this defense without making the distinguish of the difference of said titles sold (basically without factoring in any change in the status quo in the franchises themselves or even in the first case "metrics of the numbers in COMG"). So now let me ask you a question, How do you feel the following titles did compared to past title? Final Fantasy XV in Japan, Resident Evil 7 in Japan. I mean if you truthfully want to compare "mainline" titles with the past without any context using math, please tell me.

1.7 million for Let's Go would mean that it sold 1.5 million less LTD than ORAS, just over half of its total sales.

I feel that FF XV and RE7 in Japan both did poorly. FFXV because it was less than half of FFXIII and RE7 because it was much less than half of RE6.

And you think it is completely fair to compare both titles perfectly against each other? I just want see where you actually have huge jump in the fact that there is note worthy difference between titles and why they did what they did (the current topic no longer has anything to do with Kingdom Hearts it seems, but more Pokemon Go). I personally think one of two did poorly (but not for numbers alone, but for the continued status of the franchise in the country) and the other was alright because of the notable changes. 

Also will you be comparing FFXVI to FFXV, or comparing FFXVI to FFXIII?

Shouldn't we be comparing remakes to the original version rather than to other remakes?

Gold/Silver-7.20m

HeartGold/SoulSilver-3.96m (55%)

Ruby/Sapphire-5.38m

OmegaRuby/AlphaSapphire-3.15m (58%)

Yellow-3.12m

Let's Go-~1.7m (54%)

Doing just over half of the original is common for Pokemon remakes in Japan. In order for Let's Go to perform similar to to OR/AS, it would have to match the original release.

Actually, it still has everything to do with Kingdom Hearts. I'm not sure why a 30% drop in FW sales from the series highest point on a console with 10+ more million units sold would be "meh".

It would be like, to bring up Pokemon Let's Go once more, if PMLG had sold a million copies its first week. That would be a 30% drop in FW sales from the series highest FW remake. Yet, it's just "meh" sales. Do you not see the absurdity?

Again, you keep comparing something that is more of remake/spinoffish title expectations to something that should be franchise crowning achievement. If you actually want fair comparisons to a proper mainline title, it would be like if Pokemon 2019 doing 1.3ish million FW which would also be meh. (However the difference between Pokemon 2019 and Kingdom Hearts, is I actually seen Kingdom Hearts in motion, for all I know Pokemon 2019 could actually be an awful game). 

Also I think you are treating meh as meaning "bombing", which is the reason I started using the word "meh" over disappointing because so many people confuse the word disappointing as I think it will bomb. 

If this is about Kingdom Hearts, it should remain at that notion.  However most of your argument seems to be how I might view Pokemon Let's Go as differently (ignoring the notion that it changes a lot of what the franchise is in said comparisons). Which I also stated many times if comparing to other remakes it did poorly in Japan.  However I acknowledge it trying to do something distinctively different.  

Okay then, regarding Kingdom Hearts. With a 500k meh opening in physical sales, it will likely have at least 100k first week digital sales, totaling over 600k. Was digital taken into account at all regarding your comparison to past KH games?

And I am not treating Lets Go as a spinoff because Game Freak stated it is a core title and not a spinoff. It will be compared directly to the other remakes.

I was factoring 10%-15% digital in my statement for Kingdom Hearts. So physical sales would be have to be below 425,000-450,000 for meh. 

Gamefreak have also said 2019 Pokemon title will be more of a traditional title, implying Pokemon Go lacks a lot traditional aspects of the title (which it does). However regardless of what Game Freak have said if you yourself clearly do not see the distinct difference of how Pokemon Go goes at the franchise, than I cannot help you, as it very distinctively different than other games from all the remakes and mainline entries.