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ArnoldRimmer said:
Adinnieken said:

Purchasing consumables on credit is a foolish thing, because you're paying for it long after the value of it has gone.

So I guess I'll simply tell my electricity supplier that I would be foolish to pay my last year's electricity bill. I'd be paying for something long after its value is gone! ;)

Adinnieken said:

Paying for an electronic device via a payment option can be beneficial to your financial situation.

You could just as well create a ridiculous imaginary scenario where paying a cheeseburger via a payment option CAN be beneficial to one's financial situation as well. For example, there's always the theoretical possibility to that you invest that 1 dollar very very clever and make much more than 100 dollars out of it in 2 years.

But since we are talking about a concrete product anyway: please, tell me how exactly paying for an Xbox 360 via the E.F.A. plan could actually turn out to be financially beneficial after 2 years. I'm quite sure that whatever scenario you come up with, it will be rather constructed as well.

Adinnieken said:

Your analogy fails for the simple fact that the cost of the penalty is a 10000% fee in your case.  The Xbox EFA plan isn't the most expensive purchase option, yours is.  Your suggestive plan is a no-brainer to avoid.  The EFA plan is a smart option suitable for a wide variety of consumers.

I chose a 1:1 copy of your argumentation to show that the very same argumentation can be adopted for a payment plan that is so ridiculous anyone instantly realizes, to prove that this argumentation is pointless without looking at the specifics of the actual contract.

BTW, this reminds me of a funny story a mathematician recently told to explain some parts of what is going wrong in the present-day financial world ("system-relevant banks" etc.). He was invited by a bank that wondered if mathematics could somehow further increase their profits.

He said: "Well, I have an offer for you that you might find very interesting: Give me 2 million dollars, and in case my investments are successful you will get 3 million dollars back, so a 50% increase in value."

The bankers said: "Wow, a 50% increase a value?!?!? That is absolutely incredible!!! How on earth are you going to do that?"

He said: "Easy: I'll take all the money, go straight to the roulette table in the casino and place it on red. If I'm lucky, I'll have 4 million dollars afterwards and can keep 1 million. If I'm unlucky, it's you who lost all the money."

I never said it would be foolish to pay your bills, however paying them on credit would be foolish, because you're charged interest against that purchase.  You'd be better off doing a direct (EFT) payment if you have the funds, but wiser still to pay monthly via EFT or check.  How does one get away with not paying for electricity for an entire year or be forced to pay a year in advance?

You didn't elect to use a 1:1 analogy.  You used an absurd analogy.  The EFA plan offers consumers a low entry price of $100 at the cost of $38.74.  That's incredibly cheap.  If you purchased that same device on a credit card, you had fair to good credit (which means you're doing very well) and had a credit card with an APR od 20%, your monthly payments would work out to $15.30.  If you repaid that purchase at that rate, at the end of four years (48 months) you'd end up paying $734.40.  

Is a 9% simple interest rate better than 20% APR computed daily? 

Is paying $38.74 better than $734.40 or more?

Again, not every person can afford to plunk down $300 or $360 to make a purchase.  I remember when I was in my early teens and 20's and I certainly wasn't able to do that.  For the person that can afford the cost of the console through the EFA and they can afford the monthly payment, you don't see this as a good deal for them?  They should either pay fully, use a credit card, or buy it through rent-to-own services.  This isn't a valid, affordable option?  Is that what you're saying?



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Considering a very large amount of purchases would be by credit anyway, the deal isn't so bad and likely works out cheaper. So the consumer gets cheaper credit, MS gets the sale. I don't see what the problem is.



VGKing said:
thranx said:
VGKing said:
"At retail, both a 4GB Xbox 360 w/Kinect and a 250GB Xbox 360 are $299.99."

This is probably the biggest issue here. This console is 8 years old! Same goes for PS3 as Sony actually increase the price of entry with the Super Slim. These consoles are way too expensive for their age. The more people that buy into these plans, the longer we will go without price drops. The late adopters are the ones who can potentially get screwed in the future.


the entry model is only $199 . Price drops have no relation to these subscription plans. If they did than why hasn't the ps3 droped more in price since it doesn't have a sub plan?

Because its more expensive to make and it has lost Sony billions.

about that 360 $199 model, it doesn't count. That's a barebones model. I wouldn't count that one like I wouldn't count that 12gb Super Slim PS3 that released in Europe.

it can play all xbox games why not count it? seems like you just want to ignore whats there



dsgrue3 said:
Protip:

If you can't afford to drop $500 on a product, you probably shouldn't be considering purchasing it in the first place, let alone considering installment plans.

What makes sense for large purchases (cars, houses) does not make much sense for small purchases

 

Are you aware of mobile/cell phone plans? Sure, some phones can be $2000 but a majority would surely be closer to the neXbox price range than not.



With the exception of cars and homes, I pay for everything outright. It's just smart shopping and prioritized spending. This is what's good for all consumers.



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VGKing said:
thranx said:
VGKing said:
"At retail, both a 4GB Xbox 360 w/Kinect and a 250GB Xbox 360 are $299.99."

This is probably the biggest issue here. This console is 8 years old! Same goes for PS3 as Sony actually increase the price of entry with the Super Slim. These consoles are way too expensive for their age. The more people that buy into these plans, the longer we will go without price drops. The late adopters are the ones who can potentially get screwed in the future.


the entry model is only $199 . Price drops have no relation to these subscription plans. If they did than why hasn't the ps3 droped more in price since it doesn't have a sub plan?

Because its more expensive to make and it has lost Sony billions.

about that 360 $199 model, it doesn't count. That's a barebones model. I wouldn't count that one like I wouldn't count that 12gb Super Slim PS3 that released in Europe.

Wow, clearly someone doesn't see there is a major difference between the 4GB Xbox and 12GB PS3.

The 360 doesn't have huge updates or required installs like PS3. You can also expand the storage space of the 360 with USB memory sticks (up to 64GB with two 32GB sticks). On the PS3 12GB, your only option for additional space is a HDD and that 12GB can be filled too easily.



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VGKing said:
thranx said:
VGKing said:
"At retail, both a 4GB Xbox 360 w/Kinect and a 250GB Xbox 360 are $299.99."

This is probably the biggest issue here. This console is 8 years old! Same goes for PS3 as Sony actually increase the price of entry with the Super Slim. These consoles are way too expensive for their age. The more people that buy into these plans, the longer we will go without price drops. The late adopters are the ones who can potentially get screwed in the future.


the entry model is only $199 . Price drops have no relation to these subscription plans. If they did than why hasn't the ps3 droped more in price since it doesn't have a sub plan?

Because its more expensive to make and it has lost Sony billions.

about that 360 $199 model, it doesn't count. That's a barebones model. I wouldn't count that one like I wouldn't count that 12gb Super Slim PS3 that released in Europe.

Not even close to the same thing. A 4GB 360 can last you quite awhile before you even have to worry about upgrading memory with a simple thumb drive.  A 12GB PS3 is essentially worthless. Sony has a GT5 bundle coming, right? According to the people who made that game, you need to set aside 10GB of free space just to get the "optimum experience". But too bad the game also has over 4GB of required updates. So right off the bat just to play one retail, non-downloaded game, you're stuck losing 1/3 of your HDD space. And it's not even possible to play it in its best form.

4GB model counts, as does the 12GB PS3 model.



I'm not always happy to live in germany, but when it comes to money, I really like the attitude of people around here. We save money - a lot. You barely see any credit cards around here. And something like that subscription plan would never work here. I think it wouldn't work anywhere in europe. Personally, I just don't like contracts. I also use a prepaid card for my Xperia Z, which I bought without a contract. It's just the only way a device is yours instantly. When buying on credit, the device belongs to the company you bought it from until you pay the very last cent. I just don't like that feeling. Also, how the hell should I know if I'm even using a device for two years? Maybe I don't like it after 6 months. If I paid upfront, no problem, I sell that sucker and that's that. If I pay a monthly bill? That would rally get on my nerves.

However, people are different. That EFA Plan is a nice additional option for people who are into buying on credit. It's nothing wrong with it as long as it's optional. More options are always welcome. I personally don't like the idea behind it, but I also don't have to take that offer. So everything's fine if you ask me.



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ironmanDX said:
dsgrue3 said:
Protip:

If you can't afford to drop $500 on a product, you probably shouldn't be considering purchasing it in the first place, let alone considering installment plans.

What makes sense for large purchases (cars, houses) does not make much sense for small purchases

 

Are you aware of mobile/cell phone plans? Sure, some phones can be $2000 but a majority would surely be closer to the neXbox price range than not.

Sad that you relate these two. Just sad.

No service fee for PS, Ninty, or PC/Mac.

Think about it.



dsgrue3 said:
ironmanDX said:
dsgrue3 said:
Protip:

If you can't afford to drop $500 on a product, you probably shouldn't be considering purchasing it in the first place, let alone considering installment plans.

What makes sense for large purchases (cars, houses) does not make much sense for small purchases

 

Are you aware of mobile/cell phone plans? Sure, some phones can be $2000 but a majority would surely be closer to the neXbox price range than not.

Sad that you relate these two. Just sad.

No service fee for PS, Ninty, or PC/Mac.

Think about it.


Have you? Mobile phones are a necessity to some, not all. Even me, I certainly don't need my phone but every time I break one, leave it at home, loose it, I feel like I do need it, I seriously doubt I'm alone here. They're used as entertainment devices too... hence the "handheld market is dying" rumor. Look how games like angry birds sell? Shit loads. Isn't Sony also going into some form of rent to buy thingy next gen?