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Is religion a benefit

Yes religion is a benefit to society 61 36.75%
 
No religion does not benefit society 31 18.67%
 
Religion is not helpfull but harmfull 61 36.75%
 
See results 12 7.23%
 
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scat398 said:
AbbathTheGrim said:

This is so true. Whenever I watch the news for the Middle-East, I can see the top-notch state of those internal organs from the people that were bombed to pieces after some religious driven bombing.

Or those wonderful people that walk among you that commit suicide because their secular living does not place importance in the value of life.  ... See how it works both ways, religion does provide benefit and has provided far more good in the world than evil.

So you are saying each and every person who commited suicide was non-religious? Interesting attitude. Easily disprovable, but if it keeps you happy, so be it.



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LilChicken22 said:
Religious people are religious because they don't understand science and especially not evolution and I think those kind of knowledge is crucial for your look at life and how nature and our body really works. Religion causes a certain amount of ignorance because they grew up with it. You can't easily seem to forget or take distant from things that took a great roll in your youth.

About the me-centric part:
Religious people want to believe they are the only kind people in the world because they've a reason not to be mean or kill people: avoiding going to hell. But they don't understand morals take a huge roll in the evolution of species as well. For example: In a group of chimpanzees, when one chimpanzee begins to flip and bite other chimpanzees, that chimpanzee might be banned for life from the group. But ducks seem to forget one of them raped a female. Female lions don't really care if another lion kills their babies and they will start making new babies with the new male lion. It differs per species.
So, if in a certain way scientist prove heaven is not real, religious people have a reason to kill us. I don't kill people because I don't want to (to survive).

These are only a few examples what is flawed about religion, there are much MUCH more. I think it's better for religion to disappear.

I think you know less about religion then the religious people know about science.



I hate when people discuss religion on this VGC, it's cringe worthy to read some of the comments from the some comments from people that swear there more intelligent than others because they "don't believe in any thing but themselves" and yet fail to realize how important religion is on a fundamental level. It's sad to see people fumble in ignorance.

OT- Religion built almost all the foundations we have today. Law,Order, Justice, Love, Right and Wrong. If it were not for some type of religion we would be mostly feral and kill each other over territory and resources (more than we already do) and it would be complete chaos.



Without order nothing can exist - without chaos nothing can evolve.

"I don't debate, I just give you that work"- Ji99saw

Religion, in the long run, does not help or hurt society. Religion is not the only thing that keeps us moral, but if it didn't exist I'm sure people who use it to spread hatred and bigotry would just find something else.

Ji99saw said:

OT- Religion built almost all the foundations we have today. Law,Order, Justice, Love, Right and Wrong. If it were not for some type of religion we would be mostly feral and kill each other over territory and resources (more than we already do) and it would be complete chaos.



 

 

Religion did not build any of that, humanity did. Humanity cannot EXIST without some version of these values. Those things have all existed for as long as humanity has existed. Religion is,  at best, merely a manifestation of these believes that links them to thiestic myths.



SlayerRondo said:

Given my recent discussion on the VGChartz forums I have found myself in a discussion that without religion we will be a me-centric society. 

I just can't get my head around this at all. I myself care about the wellbeing of other's despite being an athiest and do so through chritable works as well as many of the people i work with. And unlike many christian charities we don't go around to people trying to convert them in return for aid. Not to mention that Warren Buffet and Bill Gates are both athiest but are the largest charitable donators in the world.

While i'm not trying to say that the religious are less willing to help other's I certainly reject the view that athiest are me-centric.

Opinion's?

Unless you are part of a system of belief that has standards agreed to and are beyond individuals themselves, and is something people who agree to the system buy into, you can't help BUT be me-centered in regards to what you consider truth and goodness.  Everthing you will be doing will be based on your measure of what is acceptable.  Being me-centric doesn't mean that you can't have concern for others, it is just the end reason for your concern for others are to placate some sensibilities of yours. 

What you see with human history is the annoying trend for individuals to end up rationalizing all sorts of horrible behaviors to justify what they do.  Almost everyone thinks themselves innocent, or end up going "the devil made me do it".

Even in this, in most cases, the reason why you do charity is because you don't want to be thought of as a bad person, or it makes you feel good, or something else.



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nuckles87 said:

Religion, in the long run, does not help or hurt society. Religion is not the only thing that keeps us moral, but if it didn't exist I'm sure people who use it to spread hatred and bigotry would just find something else.

Ji99saw said:

OT- Religion built almost all the foundations we have today. Law,Order, Justice, Love, Right and Wrong. If it were not for some type of religion we would be mostly feral and kill each other over territory and resources (more than we already do) and it would be complete chaos.



 

 

Religion did not build any of that, humanity did. Humanity cannot EXIST without some version of these values. Those things have all existed for as long as humanity has existed. Religion is,  at best, merely a manifestation of these believes that links them to thiestic myths.


What??  That's utterly ridiculous give me one example of this in a previous or modern society with no roots to any religion



Without order nothing can exist - without chaos nothing can evolve.

"I don't debate, I just give you that work"- Ji99saw

Ji99saw said:
nuckles87 said:

Religion, in the long run, does not help or hurt society. Religion is not the only thing that keeps us moral, but if it didn't exist I'm sure people who use it to spread hatred and bigotry would just find something else.

Ji99saw said:

OT- Religion built almost all the foundations we have today. Law,Order, Justice, Love, Right and Wrong. If it were not for some type of religion we would be mostly feral and kill each other over territory and resources (more than we already do) and it would be complete chaos.

 

Religion did not build any of that, humanity did. Humanity cannot EXIST without some version of these values. Those things have all existed for as long as humanity has existed. Religion is,  at best, merely a manifestation of these believes that links them to thiestic myths.


What??  That's utterly ridiculous give me one example of this in a previous or modern society with no roots to any religion

Communist nations pretty much are like this.  Of course, when a communist nation ends up working, it takes on religious trappings.



richardhutnik said:
Ji99saw said:
nuckles87 said:

Religion, in the long run, does not help or hurt society. Religion is not the only thing that keeps us moral, but if it didn't exist I'm sure people who use it to spread hatred and bigotry would just find something else.

Ji99saw said:

OT- Religion built almost all the foundations we have today. Law,Order, Justice, Love, Right and Wrong. If it were not for some type of religion we would be mostly feral and kill each other over territory and resources (more than we already do) and it would be complete chaos.

 

Religion did not build any of that, humanity did. Humanity cannot EXIST without some version of these values. Those things have all existed for as long as humanity has existed. Religion is,  at best, merely a manifestation of these believes that links them to thiestic myths.


What??  That's utterly ridiculous give me one example of this in a previous or modern society with no roots to any religion

Communist nations pretty much are like this.  Of course, when a communist nation ends up working, it takes on religious trappings.


Like this? Last time I checked we were a Republic, and we are pretty rooted in Christianity as society, hell the Pledge of Allegiance has the quote "Our nation under god". Do you even know what communism is? Like I said relgion is one of the most fundamentally important things in human history.



Without order nothing can exist - without chaos nothing can evolve.

"I don't debate, I just give you that work"- Ji99saw

Ji99saw said:
richardhutnik said:
Ji99saw said:
nuckles87 said:

Religion, in the long run, does not help or hurt society. Religion is not the only thing that keeps us moral, but if it didn't exist I'm sure people who use it to spread hatred and bigotry would just find something else.

Ji99saw said:

OT- Religion built almost all the foundations we have today. Law,Order, Justice, Love, Right and Wrong. If it were not for some type of religion we would be mostly feral and kill each other over territory and resources (more than we already do) and it would be complete chaos.

 

Religion did not build any of that, humanity did. Humanity cannot EXIST without some version of these values. Those things have all existed for as long as humanity has existed. Religion is,  at best, merely a manifestation of these believes that links them to thiestic myths.


What??  That's utterly ridiculous give me one example of this in a previous or modern society with no roots to any religion

Communist nations pretty much are like this.  Of course, when a communist nation ends up working, it takes on religious trappings.


Like this? Last time I checked we were a Republic, and we are pretty rooted in Christianity as society, hell the Pledge of Allegiance has the quote "Our nation under god". Do you even know what communism is? Like I said relgion is one of the most fundamentally important things in human history.

Communist nations build their own religious ceremonies, rituals and traditions, around the nations themselves, and the slogans of Communism, to bind people together.  It is a secular religion.  They are modern societies attempted to be built without God stuff.  By the measures of this thread, religion refers to God stuff.  Speaking by those narrow defintions, I was pointing out what you wrote is not correct.  In a VERY general sense, you would be correct.

On all this, I have to wonder what is intrinsic in the word "God" such that it both doesn't exist and produces something seen as a great evil in this thread like this.  God is supposed to both not exist AND also be very evil.  That is interesting to me how that happens.



Ji99saw said:
I hate when people discuss religion on this VGC, it's cringe worthy to read some of the comments from the some comments from people that swear there more intelligent than others because they "don't believe in any thing but themselves" and yet fail to realize how important religion is on a fundamental level. It's sad to see people fumble in ignorance.

OT- Religion built almost all the foundations we have today. Law,Order, Justice, Love, Right and Wrong. If it were not for some type of religion we would be mostly feral and kill each other over territory and resources (more than we already do) and it would be complete chaos.


You might have a point if you were referring to more ancient civilizations...maybe. But this thread is talking about modern society where religion is no longer necessary for structure, so you don't really have a long to stand on here. Especially considering many modern civilizations do just well without a strong emphasis on religion. Religious benefits today are not substantial.