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http://kotaku.com/5955223/what-went-wrong-with-silicon-knights-x+men-destiny

Dyack is incompetent and I hope Nintendo never trusts him with a serious project

 

One source described SK president Denis Dyack as a man who has "repeatedly stated to the company that artists are ‘a dime a dozen' and can be replaced."


Former employees also described that Dyack refused to read the game's design documents, its script, or play any builds of the game himself


He gave the company a 20 minute lecture on the fact that he'd never buy a grey truck; he wanted it painted red." Accordingly, some SK employees sniggered behind their backs at Dyack: "We jokingly coined the phrase ‘paint the truck!' for other ridiculous, off-the-hip ‘executive orders' that sprang forth from Denis' mouth," says the same source. "Incidentally, I played the game after release... the truck is still grey."


"He'd abandon the project for three months at a time, say ‘everything is good' when it's obviously completely broken, then come back again in a month and yell at everybody."


 [There was a] boardroom meeting with Denis Dyack, prepared proposals to address Activision's comments [about the shortcomings of the current build of the game] in-hand," says another source. "Instead of us making a plan together, Denis stated that he wished no one had seen that list, because he didn't want to address it at all."



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Honestly if that situation did happen I would buy both.



CarcharodonKraz said:
ummmmmm. wow. anyway, I just don't see this ending well. Trademarks, funding, copyrights. I may (and hope) i'm wrong, but this already seems like a mess. that being said, I hope for the best and hope that this games is made, published and rocks. If so it would be a huge selling point for me to by a wii-u as eternal darkness was one of my favorite games, and one of the most innovative games of it's time.


It is definitely a bit of a mess, but hopefully Monday clears some things up. I've said it a few times here, but since Nintendo owns the copyrights and this has a planned Wii U release, it is likely they knew about it before the announcement. Before you can say you are going to bring something to the Wii U, you have to get certified by Nintendo. That process has become much easier, but I still believe you actually have to have something to show and can't just say, "Hey Nintendo, I want to make a game. Please send me a dev kit. Here's a bunch of money." Most other crowd funded things get a Wii U release as a stretch goal that would cover the funding of the dev kit ($3-5k).

There was a screen grab of the main page that surfaced and it showed that about 10k had already been funded which would cover the cost of 2 dev kits if that was even needed. I hope this gets funded as well....Eternal Darkness was such a good game. I usually don't like episodic games, but considering that funding will net you all of the episodes, I'm okay with it. My main issue is paying for the full game in piecemeal...so this would alleviate that problem.

If it doesn't get funded.....I hope Nintendo pulls a Bayonetta 2 and either funds what is left and nabs some exclusive stuff, or buys the game outright.



RicardJulianti said:
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If it doesn't get funded.....I hope Nintendo pulls a Bayonetta 2 and either funds what is left and nabs some exclusive stuff, or buys the game outright.

If they can't get the ~20,000 donators it would take to fund ED2 given typical average donation per person, doesn't that show interest is so low that it doesn't justify Nintendo development?  They're not a charity for diehard fans of a niche franchise.



Precursor's project rather precludes Nintendo from having to do anything because Eternal Darkness was niche enough that those who really want a successor will be aware of this game, and perhaps buy it, without Nintendo having to do much on their own (though should throw a bone to a western developer willing to work with them, though, and give them some help or something)



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Soleron said:
RicardJulianti said:
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If it doesn't get funded.....I hope Nintendo pulls a Bayonetta 2 and either funds what is left and nabs some exclusive stuff, or buys the game outright.

If they can't get the ~20,000 donators it would take to fund ED2 given typical average donation per person, doesn't that show interest is so low that it doesn't justify Nintendo development?  They're not a charity for diehard fans of a niche franchise.

That's true. Just my personal dreams, that's all. 

In theory the same could have been said about Bayonetta but I guess sales were high enough of the original to justify funding the project



To answer OP's question...
I would laugh...
And then I would purchase both games...



Have a nice day...

RicardJulianti said:
Soleron said:
RicardJulianti said:
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If it doesn't get funded.....I hope Nintendo pulls a Bayonetta 2 and either funds what is left and nabs some exclusive stuff, or buys the game outright.

If they can't get the ~20,000 donators it would take to fund ED2 given typical average donation per person, doesn't that show interest is so low that it doesn't justify Nintendo development?  They're not a charity for diehard fans of a niche franchise.

That's true. Just my personal dreams, that's all. 

In theory the same could have been said about Bayonetta but I guess sales were high enough of the original to justify funding the project


The sales weren't good enou, but Nintendo knows that the gameplay is good enough and they can advertise it as a new Nintendo IP which will help sales big time, and there's the digital downloads to further help sales.



RicardJulianti said:
AbbathTheGrim said:

That doesn't make sense, Nintendo as developer doesn;t have or never had any involvement in the development of the first game. The game was actually under the hands of Dyack who produced, directed and co-wrote the game. Silicon Knights now with the layoffs and possible demise before the dispute against Epic Games will now be a shadow of its former self. There isn't much info on how Precursor Games is conformed, at least I couldn't find anything. I wouldn't be surprised if PG actually ends up picking some people from Silicon, but regardless, with Dyack in charge, this sequel could pretty much be the closest thing fans could get to a true successor of the first game.

There is no reason to believe Nintendo is bound to make an ED game by themselves, especially as developers. Best case scenario they would have delegated that to an independent studio and what studio would best the one with a person in charge that actually wrote, directed and produced the first one?


Yes it does. Nintendo owns the copyright on Eternal Darkness, and sanity effects apparently but that is such a broad term it would be hard to enforce.  He was speaking in the hypothetical situation presented by the OP that IF Nintendo made Eternal Darkness 2, and IF Shadow of the Eternals reaches its funding....and both came out around the same time....he would buy Eternal Darkness 2 over Shadow of the Eternals.

The specific details of how they would get it does don't matter as it is a hypothetical situation that likely isn't happening considering he had to be approved as a Wii U developer. Since it has a planned Wii U release (and not, we'll add it if it reaches such and such stretch goal) they likely already have a dev kit, so Nintendo knows it exists and likely wouldn't allow it if they were making ED2.

Whatever he meant, that is unlikely. I would like to see Nintendo trying to do a horror game. Actually, I would like to see if Nintendo actually puts forward the intention of making a horror game as developers.

Kaizar said:
AbbathTheGrim said:
Kaizar said:
AbbathTheGrim said:
Kaizar said:
AbbathTheGrim said:
mii-gamer said:
i will buy nintendo's version because we all know who the better developer is

erm, what? The game is being made by Precursor Games, so if you are implying that you will take Nintendo's version because Nintendo will be in charge of the WiiU version, it isn't like that. Precursor Games will make both versions and they are open to make later versions for other platforms as well.


Have you played?

Batman Arkham City Armored Edition

Mass Effect 3 Special Edition

The Amazing Spider Man Ultimate Edition

Lego Batman 2 definitive version

Why are you asking that? What does that have to do with this thread and conversation?

Because those Wii U version of those games are so way much better then the PC/PS3/360 version that it makes the PC/360/PS3 version seem so boring.

Thats more then enough proof that the Nintendo version will be better.

Another example is DarkSiders 2 which is more better on the Wii U then the PC by far.

None of those versions are better than the PC counterparts. The only thing that those versions have is additional content and that content's worth is marginal. What is the awesome content that those versions have that renders the other versions boring? Watching the controller pad?

Nothing assures Nintendo's version will be better, especially when compared to PC which has almost limitless resources. And if versions of this game release for PS4 and NextBox they will be way more superior in presentation because of how underpowered the WiiU is compared to the other systems. Unless the Nextbox is on the level of the WiiU (highly unlikely) or if they don't use any benefits from the powers of the next consoles from Sony and Micro and they make a straight port for them.

EDIT: And, Nintendo got additional content for receiving an old port of a game that gamers had play for over a year already. In which case, the next generation consoles: NextBox and PS4 are the ones to receive the additional content for getting the late versions if such a thing happens following the examples you provided.


The PC/PS3/360 versions are just so boring after you play those games on the Wii U like Batman Arkham City, because the Wii U version of those games are way so much more fun.

What makes the WiiU versions superior? Tell me what makes those version boring when the core gameplay is the same and the tablet is only used for the gimmick of switching weapons/watching maps/scanning stuff, etc.? What makes the experience better? You just say: "It's better, it's better" but that's just an opinion you can't even put into words to defend and let through.

You are just trying to praise your system. Power to you if you enjoy your system that much. But there is nothing in the WiiU that will assure that a third party game ported to different consoles will be superior in the WiiU when the other consoles have the upper hands in terms of power, and specially the PC which has almost limitless power. Only thing will be the gamepad which may make the experience "different" if implemented with significance, not necessarily better, with significance and not as is the case of the games you meantioned, and specially ME3 which is sooooooo in need of the gamepad that you can play the WiiU version with the ProController.

But no, let us say that you are saying that these game versions are superior because of your impartial reasoning, right? You came to this conclusion by playing those games and making a cold and an impartial pondering of what the games have to offer, right? What was the experience of playing Lego Batman 2, huh? How much did you enjoy it? You haven't even played it yet because that game has not even released, yet you call that game superior when you don't even know how that version will turn out. You just want to praise your WiiU. lol

But, if those games are so great, tell me, in which platform did you play or plan to play Batman Arkham Asylum and Mass Effect 1 & 2? Because, as you know, those games are not available for Nintendo. Moreover, if you think those games are great, what platforms are you thinking on buying next gen if things keep going like Iwata has accepted with third parties and sequels to those games don't show up for the WiiU?



Nintendo is selling their IPs to Microsoft and this is true because:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=221391&page=1

AbbathTheGrim said:

Whatever he meant, that is unlikely. I would like to see Nintendo trying to do a horror game. Actually, I would like to see if Nintendo actually puts forward the intention of making a horror game as developers.


Oh I definitely agree that it is unlikely. Nintendo co-owns the Fatal Frame franchise now, so it's entirely possible that they are planning to make another one of those using the gamepad. That shit would be terrifying.