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goopy20 on 22 May 2013
snowdog said:
So have anyone's sales predictions for the One consoles changed now that we have confirmation of specs and features..?

Having to install the entire contents of the disc before you can play a game onto a 500GB hard drive is going to be a problem, that disc space is going to fill up FAST. You could of course install it and read it from the Cloud but, here in the UK at least, broadband connections aren't really up to the task...and people with bandwidth limits are going to be fucked. And it will also drastically increase loading times too.

And we've also now had it confirmed that each game is tied to one console, used games will need people to pay a fee before being able to play them and you can forget about lending games to your mates. That's going to be a dealbreaker for a fair few people.

Nope, all the rumours about the Xbox turned out to be true. I stick with 80% marketshare for Sony and 20% for MS. The Wii U will have 10% of the current gen console market as the ps3 and 360 aren't going anywhere for a while.



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g911turbo on 23 May 2013
goopy20 said:
snowdog said:
So have anyone's sales predictions for the One consoles changed now that we have confirmation of specs and features..?

Having to install the entire contents of the disc before you can play a game onto a 500GB hard drive is going to be a problem, that disc space is going to fill up FAST. You could of course install it and read it from the Cloud but, here in the UK at least, broadband connections aren't really up to the task...and people with bandwidth limits are going to be fucked. And it will also drastically increase loading times too.

And we've also now had it confirmed that each game is tied to one console, used games will need people to pay a fee before being able to play them and you can forget about lending games to your mates. That's going to be a dealbreaker for a fair few people.

Nope, all the rumours about the Xbox turned out to be true. I stick with 80% marketshare for Sony and 20% for MS. The Wii U will have 10% of the current gen console market as the ps3 and 360 aren't going anywhere for a while.


Dude.  80% ??? lol Come on man.

With these mega (expensive) consoles being release, I'm actually starting to think the Wii U really COULD turn around sales.

I will say that if Xbox goes the DRM route and Sony does not (unlikely, but we will see), I vote for PS4 all the way between the 2.



NEET on 23 May 2013
g911turbo said:
goopy20 said:
snowdog said:
So have anyone's sales predictions for the One consoles changed now that we have confirmation of specs and features..?

Having to install the entire contents of the disc before you can play a game onto a 500GB hard drive is going to be a problem, that disc space is going to fill up FAST. You could of course install it and read it from the Cloud but, here in the UK at least, broadband connections aren't really up to the task...and people with bandwidth limits are going to be fucked. And it will also drastically increase loading times too.

And we've also now had it confirmed that each game is tied to one console, used games will need people to pay a fee before being able to play them and you can forget about lending games to your mates. That's going to be a dealbreaker for a fair few people.

Nope, all the rumours about the Xbox turned out to be true. I stick with 80% marketshare for Sony and 20% for MS. The Wii U will have 10% of the current gen console market as the ps3 and 360 aren't going anywhere for a while.


Dude.  80% ??? lol Come on man.

With these mega (expensive) consoles being release, I'm actually starting to think the Wii U really COULD turn around sales.

I will say that if Xbox goes the DRM route and Sony does not (unlikely, but we will see), I vote for PS4 all the way between the 2.


Sony fans are a bit on the insane side so....



g911turbo on 23 May 2013
NEET said:
g911turbo said:
goopy20 said:
snowdog said:
So have anyone's sales predictions for the One consoles changed now that we have confirmation of specs and features..?

Having to install the entire contents of the disc before you can play a game onto a 500GB hard drive is going to be a problem, that disc space is going to fill up FAST. You could of course install it and read it from the Cloud but, here in the UK at least, broadband connections aren't really up to the task...and people with bandwidth limits are going to be fucked. And it will also drastically increase loading times too.

And we've also now had it confirmed that each game is tied to one console, used games will need people to pay a fee before being able to play them and you can forget about lending games to your mates. That's going to be a dealbreaker for a fair few people.

Nope, all the rumours about the Xbox turned out to be true. I stick with 80% marketshare for Sony and 20% for MS. The Wii U will have 10% of the current gen console market as the ps3 and 360 aren't going anywhere for a while.


Dude.  80% ??? lol Come on man.

With these mega (expensive) consoles being release, I'm actually starting to think the Wii U really COULD turn around sales.

I will say that if Xbox goes the DRM route and Sony does not (unlikely, but we will see), I vote for PS4 all the way between the 2.


Sony fans are a bit on the insane side so....

Yeah, I don't even think the PS2 had 80 percent share.  Percentages don't scale linearly like that, because you always have to divide by the total of all systems.

in a 3 console race, 55-60% would be domination.  70+  percent would be unheard of.  80+ is not going to happen.

 

Think about it, if 200K systems are sold total 60% is 120K pieces, while your competitors COMBINED have only 80K pieces.



goopy20 on 23 May 2013
g911turbo said:
NEET said:
g911turbo said:
goopy20 said:
snowdog said:
So have anyone's sales predictions for the One consoles changed now that we have confirmation of specs and features..?

Having to install the entire contents of the disc before you can play a game onto a 500GB hard drive is going to be a problem, that disc space is going to fill up FAST. You could of course install it and read it from the Cloud but, here in the UK at least, broadband connections aren't really up to the task...and people with bandwidth limits are going to be fucked. And it will also drastically increase loading times too.

And we've also now had it confirmed that each game is tied to one console, used games will need people to pay a fee before being able to play them and you can forget about lending games to your mates. That's going to be a dealbreaker for a fair few people.

Nope, all the rumours about the Xbox turned out to be true. I stick with 80% marketshare for Sony and 20% for MS. The Wii U will have 10% of the current gen console market as the ps3 and 360 aren't going anywhere for a while.


Dude.  80% ??? lol Come on man.

With these mega (expensive) consoles being release, I'm actually starting to think the Wii U really COULD turn around sales.

I will say that if Xbox goes the DRM route and Sony does not (unlikely, but we will see), I vote for PS4 all the way between the 2.


Sony fans are a bit on the insane side so....

Yeah, I don't even think the PS2 had 80 percent share.  Percentages don't scale linearly like that, because you always have to divide by the total of all systems.

in a 3 console race, 55-60% would be domination.  70+  percent would be unheard of.  80+ is not going to happen.

 

Think about it, if 200K systems are sold total 60% is 120K pieces, while your competitors COMBINED have only 80K pieces.

Well 80 or 70% who knows. My point was that Sony will be by far the most dominant console for core gaming in the coming 7 years. MS just shot itself in the foot with a rocket launcher by pushing the Kinect-powered multimedia box thing through and the the ps4 will show a significant leap in visuals this time around. With the ps3 it was to hard to really showcase the hardware but I don't think this will be an issue with the ps4. And as I said before, the Wii U isn't really considered a next gen console when it simply can't play next gen games. It will be competing with the ps3/ 360 untill the Xbox one and ps4 reach a $260 pricepoint. 

Things might look gloomy for MS now, but if 9 of those 15 new exclusives turn out to be Kinect games (which I expect), while Sony drops a Infamous, Driveclub, KZ4, FF14, a new game from Naughty Dog's second team and who knows what else, then it will be one of the most embarassing E3's in history for MS. 



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Leadified on 23 May 2013

I have a feeling it will be a close battle between PS4 and Wii U for first. Both might end up pushing more than 100 million.



snowdog on 24 May 2013

The Wii U will have no problems playing current gen games. All 3 consoles in the grand scheme of things are in the same sort of ballpark in terms of power. At most you'll have the PS4 being 3-4 times more powerful than the Wii U. Just having Wii U games in 720p native instead of 1080p will take half the processing power, Expresso has a 4 stage pipeline compared to the 17 stage pipeline that the PS4's pipeline, Latte has the exact same feature set as Liverpool and Nintendo has crazy compression algorithms which should negate the difference in the size of RAM somewhat.

Now that publishers are going to have the market leading console (at least for a while) that's easy to port games to and from they're going to have developers coding for the lowest common denominator. You'll see the Wii U getting a SKU of all major 3rd party titles this gen.



AnthonyW86 on 24 May 2013
snowdog said:
The Wii U will have no problems playing current gen games. All 3 consoles in the grand scheme of things are in the same sort of ballpark in terms of power. At most you'll have the PS4 being 3-4 times more powerful than the Wii U. Just having Wii U games in 720p native instead of 1080p will take half the processing power, Expresso has a 4 stage pipeline compared to the 17 stage pipeline that the PS4's pipeline, Latte has the exact same feature set as Liverpool and Nintendo has crazy compression algorithms which should negate the difference in the size of RAM somewhat.

Now that publishers are going to have the market leading console (at least for a while) that's easy to port games to and from they're going to have developers coding for the lowest common denominator. You'll see the Wii U getting a SKU of all major 3rd party titles this gen.

Indeed by using 720p they will have a bit of extra headroom compared to a PS4 running at 1080p, especially in the memory department. However don't be suprised if some multi-platfrom titles will run in 720p on the Xbox One aswell. The difference in graphics power between Xbox One and PS4 is the exact difference between running a game in 720p or 1080p, so i expect some developers to take the easy route and simply lower the resolution on the Xbox One. The thing that conerns me the most in the Wii-U is the low memory bandwidth, witch is only just over half that off the Xbox 360.

There is no doubt in my mind that PS4 will take this gen by storm, atleast if they get the price right.



Nem on 24 May 2013

Its too early to tell, but i predict a fierce battle for number one next year with Sony and Nintendo. The xbox will be a complete failure in its current form.



snowdog on 24 May 2013

I wouldn't worry too much about the bandwidth either. You'll find developers happier working with two systems with low latency. As soonas GDDR5 was announced you've had developers happy about it but once they realise that the higher latency has the potential to cause bottlenecks they'll prefer working with the DDR3 and eDRAM/ESRAM combinations believe it or not.