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Zero999 on 06 May 2013
AnthonyW86 said:
Zero999 said:
AnthonyW86 said:

Yes they made some improvements, but they made just as many mistakes aswell. Nintendo is the only one sticking to the PowerPC architecture, wich will make porting more difficult. Also they used incredibly slow memory(the memory in the X360 is almost twice as fast), the PS4 will have a memory bandwidth of almost 15x as high. Also next gen will be all about sharing tasks between the gpu and cpu, Wii-U can't do that. If a game is released that is reliand on the GPU processing tasks like physics then the Wii-U can not run it.

keep dreaming, maybe you'll get curé syndrome.

Maybe you will grow up and act more mature and actually reply with decent agruments instead of acting like a stuborn kid who cries out for attention. I can only hope that you're lying about you age. Let's see if you make it to a month on these forums with that attitude.

maybe you should use REAL arguments on discussions.



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Zero999 on 06 May 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
Zero999 said:
goopy20 said:

So now your saying graphics can't get any better then current gen and we will never see a big leap in graphics ever again? Dude why do you think MS and Sony are even releasing a new console? Also did you see the Killzone 4 demo? If that was a early build then I can't wait to see what next gen console games will look like 3 years from now. 

yes, i've seen it. incredible graphics but no big leap from what we have right now because that's simply not possible.

also, go put words on the mouth of others. i didn't say graphics CAN'T get better, however they already reached a level of quality where diminishing returns starts to kick in. it will take lot's of extra processing power for a final result to look only marginaly better.

You do realize the first wave of games of ps3/360 looked slightly better than ps2 games... right? Gears of War was the first graphically impressive game on the system (even though it was still clunky and ugly) and that released a year after 360 launch. For the ps3 Uncharted was a year later too but still had some performance problems

You really dont know what youre talking about

you realize how games looked in the past is irrelevant, right? that was a time when graphics still had a big room for improvement. today there is room for hard to notice improvement and that's it.



Max King of the Wild on 06 May 2013
Zero999 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Zero999 said:
goopy20 said:

So now your saying graphics can't get any better then current gen and we will never see a big leap in graphics ever again? Dude why do you think MS and Sony are even releasing a new console? Also did you see the Killzone 4 demo? If that was a early build then I can't wait to see what next gen console games will look like 3 years from now. 

yes, i've seen it. incredible graphics but no big leap from what we have right now because that's simply not possible.

also, go put words on the mouth of others. i didn't say graphics CAN'T get better, however they already reached a level of quality where diminishing returns starts to kick in. it will take lot's of extra processing power for a final result to look only marginaly better.

You do realize the first wave of games of ps3/360 looked slightly better than ps2 games... right? Gears of War was the first graphically impressive game on the system (even though it was still clunky and ugly) and that released a year after 360 launch. For the ps3 Uncharted was a year later too but still had some performance problems

You really dont know what youre talking about

you realize how games looked in the past is irrelevant, right? that was a time when graphics still had a big room for improvement. today there is room for hard to notice improvement and that's it.

Wow... my eyes must be decieving me. I must have been hilucinating when I watched KZ trailer because I noticed big imporovements immediatly and thats an early build. You will be eating your words soon enough. But for know I take solace knowing you have no clue what you are talking about.

PS - FPS' wont be the ones who benefit most from the specs either.



AnthonyW86 on 06 May 2013
Zero999 said:
AnthonyW86 said:
Zero999 said:
AnthonyW86 said:

Yes they made some improvements, but they made just as many mistakes aswell. Nintendo is the only one sticking to the PowerPC architecture, wich will make porting more difficult. Also they used incredibly slow memory(the memory in the X360 is almost twice as fast), the PS4 will have a memory bandwidth of almost 15x as high. Also next gen will be all about sharing tasks between the gpu and cpu, Wii-U can't do that. If a game is released that is reliand on the GPU processing tasks like physics then the Wii-U can not run it.

keep dreaming, maybe you'll get curé syndrome.

Maybe you will grow up and act more mature and actually reply with decent agruments instead of acting like a stuborn kid who cries out for attention. I can only hope that you're lying about you age. Let's see if you make it to a month on these forums with that attitude.

maybe you should use REAL arguments on discussions.

Sure you're right and everybody else is wrong we get it, you are all knowing. Why don't you go discuss with you're own reflection in the mirror. That way you atleast have one person that agrees with you and you can stop wasting everyone's time here.



snowdog on 06 May 2013
goopy20 said:
snowdog said:
G911turbo brings up a VERY important point again that I raised in my original post in this thread. Both the PS4 and 720 are going to struggle to sell worse than the Wii U has done during the launch window due to much higher price points.

The latest rumour, which sounds credible, is that the 720 is going to have 2 SKUs - one priced at $299.99 with a 2 year subscription commitment to Live Gold for $15 per month so you're looking at $660 in total and the second SKU being $499.99 without the Live Gold commitment so you'll need to add the Live Gold subscription, which you should be able to pick up much cheaper.

Then you've got Sony continuing to ignore what made the PS2 so successful and what's made the PS3, PSP and Vita less successful. They've gone for an expensive and powerful box again - a console with 8GB of GDDR5 and a GPU pushing 1.8TFlops isn't going to be cheap before you even start to think about the controller and dual cameras in the camera bar. We'll probably be looking at $499.99 for the PS4 too.

And if that wasn't enough to cause them both problems given the current financial climate, both consoles are going to be supply constrained even if they do sell.

And then you've got the possibility of the rumours of always online and no used games for the 720 being true which I know, going by the reactions on various other forums I frequent, is going to be a dealbreaker for a fair few people.

Lets just assume the engineers at Sony know what the hell they are doing when they chose to stuff 8 gigs of very expensive ram in there. Keep in mind the ps4 uses a new type of APU that takes the unified ram priciple to a whole new level.



You could say the same thing about the hardware in the PS3, PSP and Vita as I've already mentioned. It's very rare for the most powerful console to win a generation, because said consoles tend to have a lower adoption rate due to a higher retail price compared to its less powerful competition. I just can't understand Sony's thinking when planning these things tbh. There's absolutely no sense in it.

Like I've said previously, if Nintendo cut the price of the Wii U in October by $50 and 3D Mario and Mario Kart 8 are released at the same time we could be looking at the Basic SKU being half the price of the PS4 and 720. With the far superior stable of system selling software compared to both Sony and especially Microsoft I can't see the PS4 and 720 catching up let alone overtaking the Wii U's sales.



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g911turbo on 06 May 2013

I think those of you arguing graphics lost sight of the original thread question. I think a lot of what the ps4 cab sell depends upon the initial price point. 400+ and I would be surprised if it sells early. PS3 and xbox both started selling better once prices came down.



Zero999 on 06 May 2013
AnthonyW86 said:
Zero999 said:

maybe you should use REAL arguments on discussions.

Sure you're right and everybody else is wrong we get it, you are all knowing. Why don't you go discuss with you're own reflection in the mirror. That way you atleast have one person that agrees with you and you can stop wasting everyone's time here.

hint: you =/= everyone.



Daisuke72 on 06 May 2013

What you guys don't realize is that the price of the Wii U won't really matter. Look at the Gamecube, at one point it was like, $99 for the longest and it was as powerful as the Xbox and got some third party support and had the nintendo exclusives, so why didn't it do well against the PS2?

Not because it looked like a lunchbox, it's because Nintendo's 1st party games carry their consoles because third party support sucks and their branding in general. Just because the Wii U is cheap and weak won't make it sell, the "Wii U" doesn't appeal to a mass audience. The only reason why the Wii won this gen was because of gimmicks. The Wii U won't sell very well because it's marketing sucks, the console's gimmick is lame, and it's underpowered. When people see PS4 games....and see a Wii U game...the difference will be pretty clear, anyone who argues that KZ3 to Shadowfall isn't a huge leap is delusional.



Max King of the Wild on 06 May 2013
Zero999 said:
AnthonyW86 said:
Zero999 said:

maybe you should use REAL arguments on discussions.

Sure you're right and everybody else is wrong we get it, you are all knowing. Why don't you go discuss with you're own reflection in the mirror. That way you atleast have one person that agrees with you and you can stop wasting everyone's time here.

hint: you =/= everyone.



Naw, its everyone.



g911turbo on 06 May 2013

The game cube didn't do as well against the ps2 for a list of reasons, and yes a big one was the image literally . Besides. That's 10 years ago. Different economy now where price matters more. Just look at how sales took off for the xbox and ps3 late in their life cycles after numerous price cuts.