We haven't seen, and probably won't see, any 1080p native games because knowing what little we do of the hardware in the Wii U it's been designed specifically to be a 720p native machine.

And I haven't said anything about the Wii U being 'on par' with the PS4 and 720, just that the hardware is close enough to make ports possible. Just having 720p native means the Wii U will only need to have half the processing power before you even start to think about downgraded AA, dynamic lighting and shadows, more pop-in and longer loading times.

People seem convinced that we're going to have another Wii/PS3/360 situation again this gen but this is most certainly not the case.

People keep mentioning those 2 consoles because, before the Wii, Nintendo hasn't had any succes ever since Sony entered the market. They just can't compete with them in the core gaming market, that's why they did a 180 with the Wii and targetted a totally different market, people that normally don't play on consoles. Brilliant move by Nintendo and IMO they should keep going that direction.However, Wwith the Wii-U they are also trying to go back to the core gamers and that is exactly what is hurting them.

Core gamers will buy a next gen console because they want next gen graphics, if you think the Wii-U can compete with the ps4/ Next box then fine man. But fact remains that it doesn't. Sure it can still have nice graphics just like the ps3 and 360 can, but you can't argue with computing power numbers. Do you honestly believe MS and Sony would spend a fortune on launching new consoles if you could only see the difference between their current gen plaforms by looking at small, irrelevant differences through a microscope? 

Just let me repeat what Epic said about the Wii-U one more time, so you can take it into perspective...

"When someone asks if Unreal Engine 4 will work on Wii U, Epic co-founder Mark Rein bursts out laughing. "No," he says.

Following an Unreal Engine presentation at 2013's Game Developer Conference, Rein clarifies his response to IGN, still laughing, "I just laugh at the question...Unreal Engine 4, we're not PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, or Wii U. It's next-gen technology. That's what we're aiming for."

So while UE4 proper won't make its way onto Wii U, Rein explains that developers are capable of porting software powered by the engine. "The truth is, if a developer wanted to take an Unreal Engine game and put it on Wii U, they could," Rein continues. "Unreal Engine 3 is kicking ass on Wii U. The best games on Wii U are made on our technology. What more do you want from us?"

Argument? if I could argue with people like you then you wouldn't be considered haters.

i know you people won't change your mind no matter what I say but I won't stay silent when so much crap is said. if you don't like nintendo consoles, go ahead and say it out loud. don't come up with lies to convince yourselves and others that you actually have a reason for your hate.

I really don't understand how people are still arguing the specs here lol. Epic said the Unreal 4 engine won't work on the Wii-u because they are aiming at next gen tech, not the ps3, 360 and Wii-U. He literally had to laugh when he was asked if the engine was coming to the Wii-U.

The exact specs might be a mystery but that is only because Nintendo doesn't want people to know. However, if they are on par with the next gen consoles then why aren't we seeing any 1080p games on it? Also you can be sure a key engine developer like Epic knows the specs like the inside of their pocket. If they say Nintendo has to make do with the Unreal3 engine then that's the truth. Business wise it might actually hurt them, but they just can't make it work. Nintendo gambled on a expensive tablet controller instead of next gen specs and we have to wait and see how that will work out for them.

Well yes, it's designed specifically for 720p native games because that is all it can handle lol. If the Wii-U is such a big step up from the ps3/ 360, as you say, then don't you think the Wii-U should be able to do 1080p ports of current gen games? Something like KZ4 was running in full 1080p and there is no way in hell that game could run on the ps3 in 720p.

The difference between Wii-U ports next gen won't just be a bump in resolution, it will be a unreal 4 vs a unreal 3 engine version of the same game. Effectively, this means it will be totally different experiences (if developers actually want to do a Wii-U port that is). I am just using the Unreal engine as an example off course but all developers are building their own next gen engine. We got Square Enix with it's Luminous engine, ID making Doom 4 with a new engine, the Pantha Rhei engine from Capcom etc. All those engines were designed to push these new consoles to its limits while aiming for a fixed framerate of 30fps (not 60 and 30 on the Wii-U).

You've all got to remember that Ninto have the best hardware engineers in the business

You'll have Epic bringing Unreal 4 tools and support to the Wii U sooner rather than later. Engines these days are designed to be scalable and Latte has a DX11 equivalent feature set according to Unity. All of those engines will be able to run on the Wii U. Not with all bells and whistles, certainly, but once the Wii U has sold enough publishers aren't going to leave money on the table the way they were forced to with the Wii. You'll even find plenty of people (probably nobody on these boards who I would class as 'enthusiasts') that won't be able to tell the difference between SKUs unless they see them side-by-side.

Epic aren't going to invest in scaling down their latest engine, it's aimed at the high end pc, ps4 and infinity market, they have UE3 which works fine on WiiU and is more than capable for what people want to make, you can target IOS devices in UE4 but your entire workflow needs to be aimed at that, you can;t just take a high end PC map, flip a switch to iOS and expect it to magically work - It could be ported by a third party to WiiU, but what's the point? the main differences between UE3 and UE4 wouldn't translate over to WiiU anyway due to lack of performance, so you can either have it on the existing UE3 engine or pay hundreds of thousands to port over UE3 to do the exact same thing.

Oh, and before you hit the quote/reply button, consider this, I spend every day sat in front of a workstation developing games in UE4, so you might want to think about that before pressing those buttons.