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Forums - Politics - I am from a Lutheran Church, we believe Catholics are going to Hell- Sorry .... a simple question.

yo_john117 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Nah, since God is all-knowing he will know exactly why these people made each and every decision that they made throughout their lives and be perfectly able to see everything from their point of view - Knowing that he would have made the same decisions in their exact situations and with their limited knowledge and wisdom.

If God is just, no one is going to hell.

That isn't true even in the least. He knows that humans are foolish and have extremely limited knowledge and wisdom which is why all you have to do is accept him into your heart to be saved. It's incredibly simple and anyone can do so regardless of what they've done. 


Everyone has reasons behind their opinions and decisions. God is aware of all those reasons and every tiny bit of influence that has caused you to be the very person that you are. For example, he knows that I don't believe in him (well, at least not the god that is described in the Bible) anymore since I don't believe in free will. To me, free will is illogical due to the "dilemma of determinism" and I can't force myself to overlook that. I need to be convinced by someone or something in order to believe otherwise. Sure, I could try to convince myself that free will exists but then I would live in denial; something that God would be aware of.

Everybody has reasons to back up their beliefs and those reasons neither can nor should be overlooked. God, if anyone, should know that.



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IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
yo_john117 said:

That isn't true even in the least. He knows that humans are foolish and have extremely limited knowledge and wisdom which is why all you have to do is accept him into your heart to be saved. It's incredibly simple and anyone can do so regardless of what they've done. 


Everyone has reasons behind their opinions and decisions. God is aware of all those reasons and every tiny bit of influence that has caused you to be the very person that you are. For example, he knows that I don't believe in him (well, at least not the god that is described in the Bible) anymore since I don't believe in free will. To me, free will is illogical due to the "dilemma of determinism" and I can't force myself to overlook that. I need to be convinced by someone or something in order to believe otherwise. Sure, I could try to convince myself that free will exists but then I would live in denial; something that God would be aware of.

Everybody has reasons to back up their beliefs and those reasons neither can nor should be overlooked. God, if anyone, should know that.


Dont worry bro.Nothing wrong with it. Beleviers and God have a healthy mind.



What's the pope got to do with politics? surely it is a separate thing all together.



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Is this a joke thread or what? I am serious I don't understand. Isn't this things called Luthernism founded by "this" guy at some point in early 1500? It looks to me like a Chatolic remake and not even in HD.

I am not religious but at least old religions are too old and there is a possibilities that are based on somethign lost in time.

And I guess that you are making a point based on what you have been always thought, wrong or not is up to you what to believe, this world has so many different cults to be taken into consideration... each one of them goes somehow against the other.

No one will ever be proven right or wrong. heaven or hell are a luxury I cannot afford, If they do not exist then I would have waiste my time believing in a pile of lies. I will take my chances and enjoying life without religion...

I hope to be wrong for all belivers.



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To the op: I'm catholic and I'll answer your questions with questions of my own. Why do you care about another religion other then your own? Are the explanations of your own religion not enough to explain Catholicism for you? If you wish to learn about different religions (Catholicism for that matter) all you need to do is take a college intro class on religions studies.

Who knows, you may get lucky like me and have an atheist teach it; boy did I enjoy that class. (Don't misunderstand, I meant to say the teacher was awesome)



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spurgeonryan said:

It would be horrible if this truly was the case! Billions of Catholics would have lived for nothing through the millenia.


... Not if they're right and others are the ones who are wrong.



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hell does not exist-neither in catholic nor in lutherian christianity.

the term hell (origin from viking word hel(either a bad godess or a place for bad guys in nordic mythology-sadly i forgot what it exactly means)was used for 3 different soul punishment places in the bible,but the king james bible made them all one place=wrong translation.

the catholic churchs origin is also part of a wllingful translation mistake from hebrew to greek.

jesus went upon a hill(huge rock) with petrus(greek petros) and said:on this rock i'll built by church.

the word rock in greek=petros:
translating into greek=on this "petros" i'll built my church.

the rock was translated into petrus,they took his bones to rome("coincidentally"the power center of earth at that time)qnd built that we now call vatican.

what most people do not know-the vatican is a monarchy and has a king.



SxyxS said:
hell does not exist-neither in catholic nor in lutherian christianity.

the term hell (origin from viking word hel(either a bad godess or a place for bad guys in nordic mythology-sadly i forgot what it exactly means)was used for 3 different soul punishment places in the bible,but the king james bible made them all one place=wrong translation.

the catholic churchs origin is also part of a wllingful translation mistake from hebrew to greek.

jesus went upon a hill(huge rock) with petrus(greek petros) and said:on this rock i'll built by church.

the word rock in greek=petros:
translating into greek=on this "petros" i'll built my church.

the rock was translated into petrus,they took his bones to rome("coincidentally"the power center of earth at that time)qnd built that we now call vatican.

what most people do not know-the vatican is a monarchy and has a king.

Ok, you got me curious, can you give me your sources?



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I'm confused what's to say either hell exists or that Lutherans won't be the ones going to hell. It's been a long time for me but maybe the reason Lutherans think in this way is because they broke away from the catholic church when they stapled the supposed 100 changes to the church door.

If I am correct John 3:16 (which both Lutherans and Catholics believe) "for god so loved the world that he gave his only son that whoever believed in him would not perish, but have eternal life"
But sections of Christianity belief in that fact. The problem now becomes its members. If Lutherans truly believe Catholics are going to hell then they would be claiming their own bible is wrong which equals blasphemy; therefore, Lutherans would be the ones to go to hell. Just saying.
I grew up a catholic, however, I am now an atheist and have been for over 15 years



I grew up in a largely Baptist/Protestant community and that was a common opinion. They were consider odd and a polytheistic cult that prayed to other Gods, but called them saints. It was bizarre to me when I came out to a bigger world and the Roman Catholics thought they were the 'true' Christians - and they everybody 'left' them. And still amazed when they think everybody wants to be them.

I don't really judge someone by their religion, but more about their behavior. I think any largely organized ones become very corrupt - as the money is collect as a 'duty to help people' and used for personal gain by the collectors.



 

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