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Farsala said:
Wait so the PS3 sales are pretty good now? It is not a complete disaster compared to the PS2?

Well... no, it's still pretty disastrous imo, but that's not the point of this thread. The point here is that it's always done reasonably well all the time, so when people are talking about the PS3 comeback they're referring to something that didn't take place.



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ethomaz said:

DanneSandin said:

Why would anyone be jealous, and about what?

As I said in the OP, PS3's sales were increasing all the time, selling on par or better than X360; the sales were always increasing

Nope... PS3 sales are selling below X360 in 2008 and 2009 until the PS3 Slim cameback happened... the gap was near 8 million before the Slim and now it is less than 1 milliom... PS3 has even a chance today to ends this generation over the Wii... that what I call a COMEBACK.

Quote me later... PS3 will be the best selling console this generation... 25 million to go.

Like I said in the OP, PS3 was outsold by the X360 in the Holidays (and continues to be outsold that period of time up to this day). Just look at the graphic in the OP; PS3 sold pretty well compared to the X360 (which had been out for a whole year then, gaining momentum), and sold more than X360 in 2008 for the better part of the year.

So there isn't a case where PS3 were being massively outsold or selling so bad that it could be deemed a failure (relatively speaking of course). And it was selling on par with X360 in 2009 until the Slim launched.

And I wouldn't say that PS3 made a comeback by closing the gap from 8m to 1m - that's not a comeback. And if it is, it's be worst comeback I've ever seen. Managing to continue to outsell your competition for the better part of the year isn't much of a comeback.



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DanneSandin said:
Farsala said:
Wait so the PS3 sales are pretty good now? It is not a complete disaster compared to the PS2?

Well... no, it's still pretty disastrous imo, but that's not the point of this thread. The point here is that it's always done reasonably well all the time, so when people are talking about the PS3 comeback they're referring to something that didn't take place.


Point is it went from selling disastrous numbers compared to Wii and PS2, to now decent enough numbers to propel it to only 25m behind Wii now and the gap will soon be smaller. The gap was at one point of course 0ish units and went really quickly to at least a 34m gap and now it is closing due to the PS3 still being supported well. Nintendo abandoing Wii is irrelevant. 360 as a whole is irrelevant, as it lost its lead and as you said always had signs that it would lose to PS3.



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Troll_Whisperer said:
DanneSandin said:
Troll_Whisperer said:

PS3 on its own, for a clearer view:

 

I can see a very clear difference before and after late 2009. The first three years are a joke compared to the last four. I think there is no doubt it turned things around.

I guess the same thing can be said about the X360 then, since it started to sell more after 2010 (I think it was). Why isn't anyone talking about the comeback X360 did?

1st, it wasn't nearly as pronounced, especially the baseline outside the holiday season.

 

2nd, the word comeback wouldn't make sense in the 360's context, because it never "fell" and then came back like from from PS2 to PS3. It just went from shitty to good. That's not a comeback.

In that sense PS3 NEVER made a comeback and never will, since it will never sell as much as PS2... The PS4 on the other hand...

How about the 1st point? Anyway, it's just a stupid semantics discussion, so whatever. I'm off to bed.



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Farsala said:
DanneSandin said:
Farsala said:
Wait so the PS3 sales are pretty good now? It is not a complete disaster compared to the PS2?

Well... no, it's still pretty disastrous imo, but that's not the point of this thread. The point here is that it's always done reasonably well all the time, so when people are talking about the PS3 comeback they're referring to something that didn't take place.


Point is it went from selling disastrous numbers compared to Wii and PS2, to now decent enough numbers to propel it to only 25m behind Wii now and the gap will soon be smaller. The gap was at one point of course 0ish units and went really quickly to at least a 32m gap and now it is closing due to the PS3 still being supported well. Nintendo abandoing Wii is irrelevant. 360 as a whole is irrelevant, as it lost its lead and as you said always had signs that it would lose to PS3.

But that's the thing though; it never did disastrous numbers. In that case, the X360 did just as much of a comeback as PS3 did. And if we aren't going to compare it with Wii or X360 it did even worse! Then we have to compare it with its predecessor, and then it's a failure all around.



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Well, since that other thread got locked, my main point was the PS3 has made a comeback. Also, the person who said the gap was continually closing since the PS3's launch in EU was in incorrect. In 2008, when MS dropped the entry price to $199 for the holiday season, the gap grew by 710K, to 7.4M, for the year. This was when many claimed, including some on this site, that the gap would either remain the same or continue to grow. With the launch of the Slim, that didn't happen. The PS3 has been outselling it every year since.

It's such a strong comeback, in fact, that even the HUGE success MS had with Kinect couldn't combat the PS3's sales. Aligned launches never paint the whole picture, and completely ignores the poor image the PS3 had at the start of this gen.



Troll_Whisperer said:
DanneSandin said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
DanneSandin said:
Troll_Whisperer said:

PS3 on its own, for a clearer view:

 

I can see a very clear difference before and after late 2009. The first three years are a joke compared to the last four. I think there is no doubt it turned things around.

I guess the same thing can be said about the X360 then, since it started to sell more after 2010 (I think it was). Why isn't anyone talking about the comeback X360 did?

1st, it wasn't nearly as pronounced, especially the baseline outside the holiday season.

 

2nd, the word comeback wouldn't make sense in the 360's context, because it never "fell" and then came back like from from PS2 to PS3. It just went from shitty to good. That's not a comeback.

In that sense PS3 NEVER made a comeback and never will, since it will never sell as much as PS2... The PS4 on the other hand...

How about the 1st point? Anyway, it's just a stupid semantics discussion, so whatever. I'm off to bed.

I wouldn't say the "comeback" of PS3 is pronounced either. It simply continued to outsell the X360, just by a slightly higher number. But that's not a comeback.



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DanneSandin said:
Farsala said:
DanneSandin said:
Farsala said:
Wait so the PS3 sales are pretty good now? It is not a complete disaster compared to the PS2?

Well... no, it's still pretty disastrous imo, but that's not the point of this thread. The point here is that it's always done reasonably well all the time, so when people are talking about the PS3 comeback they're referring to something that didn't take place.


Point is it went from selling disastrous numbers compared to Wii and PS2, to now decent enough numbers to propel it to only 25m behind Wii now and the gap will soon be smaller. The gap was at one point of course 0ish units and went really quickly to at least a 32m gap and now it is closing due to the PS3 still being supported well. Nintendo abandoing Wii is irrelevant. 360 as a whole is irrelevant, as it lost its lead and as you said always had signs that it would lose to PS3.

But that's the thing though; it never did disastrous numbers. In that case, the X360 did just as much of a comeback as PS3 did. And if we aren't going to compare it with Wii or X360 it did even worse! Then we have to compare it with its predecessor, and then it's a failure all around.

1. 360 lost its lead to Wii.

2.360 never did a comeback because it was became 2nd and always had signs of the PS3 passing it. PS3 has possibility of getting very close to Wii.

3. 360 comeback is irrelevant to PS3 comeback.



thismeintiel said:
Well, since that other thread got locked, my main point was the PS3 has made a comeback. Also, the person who said the gap was continually closing since the PS3's launch in EU was in incorrect. In 2008, when MS dropped the entry price to $199 for the holiday season, the gap grew by 710K, to 7.4M, for the year. This was when many claimed, including some on this site, that the gap would either remain the same or continue to grow. With the launch of the Slim, that didn't happen. The PS3 has been outselling it every year since.

It's such a strong comeback, in fact, that even the HUGE success MS had with Kinect couldn't combat the PS3's sales. Aligned launches never paint the whole picture, and completely ignores the poor image the PS3 had at the start of this gen.

I'll give you that PS3 made an IMAGE comeback, but not one in sales. And this is a sales site and we're talking sales. But yeas, PS3 made an image comeback.

PS3 outsold X360 for the better part of 2008, and sold on par with X360 for most of 2009 as well. And making a "huge" comeback would mean PS3 outsold ALL of the competition by a mile, which it hasn't. It's still in 3rd place, even though the gap has more or less been closed. So it hasn't made a "huge" comeback. It's just continued to sell better than X360.



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Farsala said:
DanneSandin said:
Farsala said:
DanneSandin said:
Farsala said:
Wait so the PS3 sales are pretty good now? It is not a complete disaster compared to the PS2?

Well... no, it's still pretty disastrous imo, but that's not the point of this thread. The point here is that it's always done reasonably well all the time, so when people are talking about the PS3 comeback they're referring to something that didn't take place.


Point is it went from selling disastrous numbers compared to Wii and PS2, to now decent enough numbers to propel it to only 25m behind Wii now and the gap will soon be smaller. The gap was at one point of course 0ish units and went really quickly to at least a 32m gap and now it is closing due to the PS3 still being supported well. Nintendo abandoing Wii is irrelevant. 360 as a whole is irrelevant, as it lost its lead and as you said always had signs that it would lose to PS3.

But that's the thing though; it never did disastrous numbers. In that case, the X360 did just as much of a comeback as PS3 did. And if we aren't going to compare it with Wii or X360 it did even worse! Then we have to compare it with its predecessor, and then it's a failure all around.

1. 360 lost its lead to Wii.

2.360 never did a comeback because it was became 2nd and always had signs of the PS3 passing it. PS3 has possibility of getting very close to Wii.

3. 360 comeback is irrelevant to PS3 comeback.

1. PS3 is still in 3rd place.

2. PS3 never made a comeback; it just continued to sell better than the competition for the better part of the year (excluding Wii sales)



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