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naruball on 21 April 2013
kowenicki said:
naruball said:
Hm. Maybe you're right, but why would people on Vgc declare it dead and argue it would be discontinued? Did we have some inaccurate data a couple of years ago? I remember links to thread that its lifetime sales would be 30m tops. See any predictions threads and you'll realize why people say that it made a comeback.


they did?

can you show me more than a couple of level headed regulars that said that?  actually can you show me any level headed regulars that said that?

I can show you loads of level headed regulars that said the 360 coulsnt possible sell more than 35mt ot 40m and that it would be dropped within 5 years and that the PS3 would overtake it years ago.

I'm afraid I can't. I joined the site in 2010, so I wasn't around. I saw over the last two years people mentioning that and providing links to such threads and posts. I did not bookmark them and have no idea how to look them up, but I did read see them (it was mostly users who are not around any more, but had a great number of posts).

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I read somewhere that the whole B_E_L_I_E_V_E thing was created to counter the great number of "ps3 is doomed/has no games, will be discontinued" threads. 



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Max King of the Wild on 21 April 2013
kowenicki said:
naruball said:
Hm. Maybe you're right, but why would people on Vgc declare it dead and argue it would be discontinued? Did we have some inaccurate data a couple of years ago? I remember links to thread that its lifetime sales would be 30m tops. See any predictions threads and you'll realize why people say that it made a comeback.


they did?

can you show me more than a couple of level headed regulars that said that?  actually can you show me any level headed regulars that said that?

I can show you loads of level headed regulars that said the 360 couldnt possible sell more than 35m or 40m and that it would be dropped within 5 years and that the PS3 would overtake it years ago.

Soriku jumps out in particular. Also, there aren't many people who are from 2007 around anymore. and the switch from old to new really screwed up looking for older posts. But yes, many people did argue that



Slimebeast on 21 April 2013

It's true, it never made a comeback. And the competition (both) won this generation, there is no debate.

But Sony and the PS3 earned tons of respect from gamers and strengthened its heritage as a console for people who love games.

And it has been an interesting generation with three strong players and constant tough competition.



Max King of the Wild on 21 April 2013
crissindahouse said:
Max King of the Wild said:
crissindahouse said:
 

but it was never consistently outsold, that's the point of this thread. ps3 did never sell worse a 360 when it was on every major market and it is pretty obvious that 360 sold more as ps3 when ps3 was not on the market or only in usa and japan.

ps3 was never really weak (as long as you don't compare it with ps2), it just had a later release.

It's incredibly naive to ignore the Wii here...

i didn't ignore the wii, i already talked about that in my first post if you forgot it. the reason is because the wii sales started to be shit, not because 360 or ps3 increased their sales so greatly to overtake the wii. ps3 didn't come back against the wii, the wii sales started to fail by it's own.

and most people always only talked about 360 and ps3 and always said wii is not a competiton because it's not a hd console and whatever so even if wii would be still strong but ps3/360 even stronger, why does wii count now? it didn't count for most when it was strong...

same with 360, it didn't have a great comeback just because wii doesn't sell so much anymore.

i really think playstation fans should start to think more that ps3 was always a decent console with nice sales and not such a fail like some think. yes it never sold as much a ps2 but that isn't different now and ps2 was a huge exception in the home console market.



look at my basketball analogy concerning the wii. If something drops off and starts doing horribly and the other starts gaining then thats making a comeback.

LOL@ not realizing the difference between comparing it with and without the Wii. If you are to compare gaming in general no one would ignore the Wii. However, if the talk is about demographics the obviously the Wii would get ignored and there should be no reason to bring it up.

Its not the playstation fans as much as slowmo would lead you to believe it was. We have always said it wasn't doing as terrible as people made it out and we have always known it was the best gaming device (subjective I know)



crissindahouse on 21 April 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
 



look at my basketball analogy concerning the wii. If something drops off and starts doing horribly and the other starts gaining then thats making a comeback.

LOL@ not realizing the difference between comparing it with and without the Wii. If you are to compare gaming in general no one would ignore the Wii. However, if the talk is about demographics the obviously the Wii would get ignored and there should be no reason to bring it up.

Its not the playstation fans.

maybe you do but you know how many times i read in this forum "ohh who cares about wii, it's not the competition of ps360, it's not even a hd console" in the last years?

and sure, it's not the playstation fans, it's many playstation and xbox fans.

and it's fine if you think ps3 made a comeback vs. wii but surely most mean against 360 in those comaback threads and i still think it's not a comeback if the other one starts to fail in selling his products. it's not a basketball game, it's economy. you don't make a comeback if your sales don't increase in economy just because your competitor doesn't sell his products anymore. your shareholders want to see you increasing your sales and not decreasing sales of another company because that doesn't make your financials better.



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Max King of the Wild on 21 April 2013
naruball said:
kowenicki said:
naruball said:
Hm. Maybe you're right, but why would people on Vgc declare it dead and argue it would be discontinued? Did we have some inaccurate data a couple of years ago? I remember links to thread that its lifetime sales would be 30m tops. See any predictions threads and you'll realize why people say that it made a comeback.


they did?

can you show me more than a couple of level headed regulars that said that?  actually can you show me any level headed regulars that said that?

I can show you loads of level headed regulars that said the 360 coulsnt possible sell more than 35mt ot 40m and that it would be dropped within 5 years and that the PS3 would overtake it years ago.

I'm afraid I can't. I joined the site in 2010, so I wasn't around. I saw over the last two years people mentioning that and providing links to such threads and posts. I did not bookmark them and have no idea how to look them up, but I did read see them (it was mostly users who are not around any more, but had a great number of posts).

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I read somewhere that the whole B_E_L_I_E_V_E thing was created to counter the great number of "ps3 is doomed/has no games, will be discontinued" threads. 

You would be accurate. And the whole believe thing got a lot of hate towards it and arguments such as "believe the console will fail LOL"



Max King of the Wild on 21 April 2013
crissindahouse said:
Max King of the Wild said:
 



look at my basketball analogy concerning the wii. If something drops off and starts doing horribly and the other starts gaining then thats making a comeback.

LOL@ not realizing the difference between comparing it with and without the Wii. If you are to compare gaming in general no one would ignore the Wii. However, if the talk is about demographics the obviously the Wii would get ignored and there should be no reason to bring it up.

Its not the playstation fans.

maybe you do but you know how many times i read in this forum "ohh who cares about wii, it's not the competition of ps360, it's not even a hd console" in the last years?

and sure, it's not the playstation fans, it's many playstation and xbox fans.

and it's fine if you think ps3 made a comeback vs. wii but surely most mean against 360 in those comaback threads and i still think it's not a comeback if the other one starts to fail in selling his products. it's not a basketball game, it's economy.

It all really depends whats being talked about. I've seen topics of direct comparisons between 360 vs ps3 and people like Rol will come in and say "but the wii this." Thats when I tend to say the wii shouldn't be mentioned and if you want to compare make your own thread.

It is a comeback. There is no denying it. You guys are arguing the wrong point. You should concede the ps3 made a huge comeback but argue how significant it really is. If thats where the argument was at I'd say it's pretty insignificant considering it was always positioned to do it.



crissindahouse on 21 April 2013
Max King of the Wild said:

It all really depends whats being talked about. I've seen topics of direct comparisons between 360 vs ps3 and people like Rol will come in and say "but the wii this." Thats when I tend to say the wii shouldn't be mentioned and if you want to compare make your own thread.

It is a comeback. There is no denying it. You guys are arguing the wrong point. You should concede the ps3 made a huge comeback but argue how significant it really is. If thats where the argument was at I'd say it's pretty insignificant considering it was always positioned to do it.

no, i'm not arguing how significant it is, i'm arguing that there was never a comeback



DanneSandin on 21 April 2013
Max King of the Wild said:

It is a comeback. There is no denying it. You guys are arguing the wrong point. You should concede the ps3 made a huge comeback but argue how significant it really is. If thats where the argument was at I'd say it's pretty insignificant considering it was always positioned to do it.

I actually see a handful of people in this very thread denying that, me one of them. I don't see a "huge comeback" in those numbers in th OP. Point it out to me if you will, because I simply don't see it. It isn't there. PS3 never did bad compared to X360, and as shown in the OP it almost always sold on par with X360, or above...



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Max King of the Wild on 21 April 2013

Then there is no point in talking to both of you. Ps3 made a comeback and its simple as that. People just don't want to give credit where credit is due.

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