You're displacing where the debt is majorly coming from. Ever since they started having financial woes the media has been saying the gaming industry is becoming one of their steadiest profiting schemes displacing the losses of their other electronics that they refuse to sell at competitive prices. This has been a rough gen but it doesnt meant it can get better. Sony and Microsoft have always sold their consoles at a loss to give us more in the box from the very beginning. This is the first time Sony has made a stupid mistake with their console and suffered the consequences for it only to profit four years later. The PS3 will be selling very well...especially since the Wii U is out its going to make the PS3 and XBox 360 even more appealing when you look at the library of games. Nintendo's next gen console is just too close in power and offerings to the current gen than comparable to next gen and its hurting them without more to offer and no major exclusives launching.

this is rather funny, the truth is SCE lost billions on Playstation 3 the entire income from PS1 and PS2 generation was literary drowned in this "engineering masterpiece" but financial failure, whatever the media thinks is hardly relevant.

The PS3 is hardly profitable platform for Sony

"Wii U is out its going to make the PS3 and XBox 360 even more appealing when you look at the library of games."

WiiU is too early in its life-cycle to draw any conclusions

1) You don't know what Ad hominem means. Ad hominem = towards person. In other words, rather than arguing my points, you're simply discrediting my knowledge, which itself should be apparent in my posts. So you're not only defeating the purpose, but you're also making it excessively difficult to have a mature argument. You wanted mature, your strategy is inadequate. It is technically not an insult to call someone an ignorant, but using ad hominem rather than addressing points leads to insulting posts and non-constructive debates. SO CHANGE. Yes, I want you to change.

2) And that's why I said it depends on your definition of a "different" product, what constitutes enough change to break that barrier of "Same product/different product", that's what I was asking for. Instead you gave me the definition of product.... Now you understand why I'm upset. Also, you have no proof of it being a different product, and laid no ground rules. That's what I'm asking for and you can't provide it because you yourself don't know. If you did, we'd have this covered 8 posts back.

3) Last light on top settings... Isn't that what I said like 20 posts ago? Please understand my aggravation.

4) I asked you for a link where I said UE4 was coming to the U. I asked for it because, you know... I NEVER SAID THAT!! And you haven't figured that out yet. Not only did you fuck that up, but you can't even own up to it. That's why I'm pissed.

5) If the leap could be made from the PS3 to the PS2 with games like madden, then it sure as hell can be made from the PS4 to the U. No matter what kind of constraint you pull, the fact of the matter is that it's doable. They will have to sacrifice certain features, but other than that it's possible. As for the HDD missing, that has, as far as I understood it, no impact in terms of rendering. It was my understanding that game speed was dependent on RAM, not HDD memory.

6) I gave you madden, that should be enough. But you ask for COD. Okay, I'll serve you COD. You consider the Wii on par with gen 6 am I correct? As far as I know, COD was also delivered on the Wii, albeit downscaled. That was all the Modern Warfares and Black Ops, available on Wii. You will say this was a different product, and for COD I will agree with you, exceptionally, because it is an FPS and requires a high resolution (HD) to see small shapes. However, that will no longer be true on U, which is HD. For one, this answers your question, albeit Madden was sufficient.

7) My reason for arguing is that I know I'm right, and I'm just looking to show that arguments speak louder than pretenses. You are working off pretenses, I am working off arguments. Let's see what wins, but I know what does. I'm much older than you after all, and I actually work in the field.

You just don't get it. Wait until the new consoles launch and Microsoft and Sony put price cuts on the PS3 and 360. Wii U is competing with the wrong consoles.

Not at all the WiiU is not competing with anything, its main and only competitor  is Nintendo's  ability to create games compelling enough to support sales of WiiU, it can achieve Wii level of success or GameCube level in sales.

Then you're obviously just as lost as Nintendo. The public isnt reading the Wii U as anything special and the PS3 and 360 price cuts going up against the Wii U with a lot of offerings within the current gen it will not be pretty. Once they get a load of the next gen consoles it wont even be fair. No one wants a tablet controller when they've got Ipads.

1) Okay so you don't know what an ad hominem is...I suggest you wiki it. An ad hominem was if I was trying to discredit your argument because you didn't know what an ad hominem is. Saying your argument is invalid because you literally don't understand hardware (which you don't) and you have never actually seen 1st hand the graphics you speak of is logical. What is actually going on here is the Dunning-Kruger effect:

"The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average"

As you have said, you have no experience of state of the art graphics and have no hardware/software knowledge yet you still seem to believe you are able to talk about a topic that revolves around those things.

2) To cut to the chase, the Wii U is far too inferior to have games ported to it from the PS4 if said game is a genuine 8th gen game e.g. Gears of War, CoD 4+ etc. If you want to argue otherwise, explain how you could account for the lack in CPU, GPU and HDD. 3) Saying that a HDD doesn't affect rendering shows that you clearly havent a fucking clue with regard to loading textures and models. Also guess what alters rendering - the GPU, and the CPU and RAM. UE4 will never come to the Wii U therefore why mention it coming to tablets? What was your point in mentioning that? 

4) You know you are right about a topic you have no idea about. D-K effect dude, you are letting arrogance get in the way. Your argument is based on complete ignorance. You have no idea how graphics works but still want to argue about them. You sir need to look at your attitude if you think you are justified in your ignorance. You're older than me, sure, but so what? The fact you mention that is hilarious and oh so very telling.  Pray tell, what field do you work in and does it trump my IT experience? Cleary it doesn't as you don't have the slightest clue about software or hardware. If a game relies on large scenes, complex AI, physics or graphics, it isn't viable on the Wii U. Large scale games also won't happen e.g. Planetside 2.
5) Games for consoles are meant to be easy to develop. It'd be incredibly difficult to then be told "LOL reduce your RAM by 85% (and make it slower), reduce the CPU by just as much, remove the HDD and now factor in the inferior graphics." What console game is designed to be that flexible?

The Wii U cannot play PS4 games and no matter what you say, it still won't get them! So argue all you want, you'll never be proven right ;)

Ad Hominem (Wikipedia):

An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an argument made personally against an opponent instead of against their argument.[2] Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as an informal fallacy,[3][4][5] more precisely an irrelevance.[6]

what you expect from them to transform itself to 3rd platform holder whose existence dependent in its entirety on 3rd parties goodwill