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oniyide on 14 April 2013
VGKing said:
Machiavellian said:
brendude13 said:
I don't think people understand what the OP is trying to say, either that or they are intentionally ignoring it. He meant the sales comeback of a single console only, not the financial comeback of a company.

It is quite surprising to see the PS3 selling so well after how things were in 2007. 3DS could be compared to it but its poor start didn't last nearly as long.


No I believe people do understand what the OP is talking about and people responding is saying you cannot dismiss the Money Sony had pay in order to come back.  You cannot dismiss Sony going into the red while their competition has stayed in the green.  You cannot dismiss that Sony lost a major market like the US to both their competition.  If it takes 7 years for you to almost catch your competition while you are about to release your next product, then people are defining a comeback in narrow terms.  As a product, that cost you th profits for your first and second gen product, do anybody think SONY believe this is a win.

If the OP would have stated that Sony as a business, making smart decisions to prepare their next console on some good moves and smart choices I will definitely agree.  Because of the competition, Sony had to rethink their business and how they do business.  They have take the strenghts of their competitors and made them strengths of their own while also bring some good features to their services like Plus.  Sony mentality on Indie developers have changed and their thought process on giving the people who will make you successful (Developers) have changed.  Sony as a company I would say made a great comeback.

The PS3, well like some one said, If Sony is willing to pay billions of dollars to gain 2nd place, I am sure MS and Nintendo is more than willing to let Sony do that again.  The winners are still Nintendo and MS.  MS turend around and became a national powerhouse, and Nintendo reclaimed heir crown.

This Gen everything starts over again and it appears before MS even get their product on the market, Sony fans are already proclaiming a win when this generation hasn't begun.  This will not be a sprint but a marathon and all parties are pretty much starting at the same time.

Company financials have nothing to do with this thread. Tha'ts really the only thing that the PS3 failed at. But it doesn't matter. I could mention how Microsoft also lost billions on the 360. Did you forget that they also sold the console at a loss? Did you forget about the RROD? The Xbox 360 may be a cash cow right now, but so is the PS3. Both consoles bled money for years and years for their companies.

Now lets please get back on topic.

THis. Its like they dont want to admit the PS3 is a good machine so they a adding stuff that has noting to do with the discussion. 



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curtiswolf on 14 April 2013

its really amazing how PS3 came back. in this generations alot of amazing things have happened along with bad things, like the Wii dying out 2 years after release, PS3 coming back from a horrible marketing failure and much much more.



TimCliveroller on 14 April 2013
VGKing said:
TimCliveroller said:
VGKing said:
TimCliveroller said:
VGKing said:
superchunk said:
PS3 is still 3rd place. To be a comeback it has to actually .... come back.

Seven years on market and its narrowed a 360 gap from about 7m to about 1m now.
Seven years on market and its narrowed a Wii gap from a peak of about 36m to 25m; 2007 (10m), 2008 (24m), 2009 (33m), 2010 (36m), 2011 (33m), 2012 (28/m).

So a console that was almost identical the PS3 gained less than 1m each year and a console that was 20x lower in power with NONE of the 3rd party AAA titles, PS3 only started to narrow the gap once that console effectively lost all support and is now replaced.

I don't consider that a comeback of anything. PS3 has always sold slightly more than 360 when you align launches and it'll never catch Wii. I guess if it takes 2nd eventually, you can call it a come back to 2nd place.

Why are you comparing it to the Wii?  I really don't think Wii sales affected those of the PS3 or the 360, they're not really competitors as they are going for completely different markets.

Yes, PS3 is still in 3rd place, but I don't think that matters. Ignoring the fact that its about to take 2nd place, it is roughly on par with the 360 in sales. This is an amazing feat considering it launched a year later, at a higher price, with poor launch games and weak online infrastructure. PS3 really was the underdog this gen and it has overcome so much. Sony did an excellent job at making sure the console didn't become a failure.

"PS3 really was the underdog this gen and it has overcome so much." .Spin. 

Nope. Facts. 

WTF... facts? Imagination maybe... Playstation Land reply.

That's what I thought. Reported. Coz I'm a ...

Is this guy for real? Is this how stuff works in here?



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Otakumegane on 14 April 2013
brendude13 said:
Otakumegane said:
Where was it stated that Vita was being sold for a profit at $250?

Well they cut the price now so they should be selling at a loss.

According to Amazon, Vita is still $235.

And even then, are you saying that the PS Vita's production cost wouldn't have dropped $15 in over a year?


Did we ever get figures on how much of a loss or profit they were selling these? Looking at the mem card prices, they might have gone with the razor-blades approach and sell the hardware at a moderate loss and make it up with memcard sales.



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VGKing on 14 April 2013
TimCliveroller said:
VGKing said:
TimCliveroller said:
VGKing said:
TimCliveroller said:
VGKing said:
superchunk said:
PS3 is still 3rd place. To be a comeback it has to actually .... come back.

Seven years on market and its narrowed a 360 gap from about 7m to about 1m now.
Seven years on market and its narrowed a Wii gap from a peak of about 36m to 25m; 2007 (10m), 2008 (24m), 2009 (33m), 2010 (36m), 2011 (33m), 2012 (28/m).

So a console that was almost identical the PS3 gained less than 1m each year and a console that was 20x lower in power with NONE of the 3rd party AAA titles, PS3 only started to narrow the gap once that console effectively lost all support and is now replaced.

I don't consider that a comeback of anything. PS3 has always sold slightly more than 360 when you align launches and it'll never catch Wii. I guess if it takes 2nd eventually, you can call it a come back to 2nd place.

Why are you comparing it to the Wii?  I really don't think Wii sales affected those of the PS3 or the 360, they're not really competitors as they are going for completely different markets.

Yes, PS3 is still in 3rd place, but I don't think that matters. Ignoring the fact that its about to take 2nd place, it is roughly on par with the 360 in sales. This is an amazing feat considering it launched a year later, at a higher price, with poor launch games and weak online infrastructure. PS3 really was the underdog this gen and it has overcome so much. Sony did an excellent job at making sure the console didn't become a failure.

"PS3 really was the underdog this gen and it has overcome so much." .Spin. 

Nope. Facts. 

WTF... facts? Imagination maybe... Playstation Land reply.

That's what I thought. Reported.

Is this guy for real? Is this how stuff works in here?

Yes, it is. Trolling and Flaming is frowned upon on this site, just like every other.



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TheLastStarFighter on 14 April 2013

This thread has gone all over the place and has some misinfo and misunderstanding.

The PS3 is the second biggest comeback console. #1 is the SNES, and the stories are kinda similar for the two. The SNES launched last behind the Genesis and Turbographix 16, but it was more powerful and had much better 3rd party support. As the generation went on the other systems lost steam while the SNES eventually dominated the market. Whoever said Genesis beat SNES and was a big comeback is way off. SNES outsold Genesis 50 million to 30 million. Genesis was an early starter, not a comeback.

PS3 is a similar story, as it was a follow up to a massive success but started slow and took a long time to gain market. But it istn't the biggest comeback because, as has been said by others, it's still in last place. It will probably finish a slight second in the end but it will still have about 30% market share. SNES meanwhile went from last to around 60% market share, making it a much, much bigger comeback success.



brendude13 on 14 April 2013
Machiavellian said:
brendude13 said:
I don't think people understand what the OP is trying to say, either that or they are intentionally ignoring it. He meant the sales comeback of a single console only, not the financial comeback of a company.

It is quite surprising to see the PS3 selling so well after how things were in 2007. 3DS could be compared to it but its poor start didn't last nearly as long.


No I believe people do understand what the OP is talking about and people responding is saying you cannot dismiss the Money Sony had pay in order to come back.  You cannot dismiss Sony going into the red while their competition has stayed in the green.  You cannot dismiss that Sony lost a major market like the US to both their competition.  If it takes 7 years for you to almost catch your competition while you are about to release your next product, then people are defining a comeback in narrow terms.  As a product, that cost you th profits for your first and second gen product, do anybody think SONY believe this is a win.

If the OP would have stated that Sony as a business, making smart decisions to prepare their next console on some good moves and smart choices I will definitely agree.  Because of the competition, Sony had to rethink their business and how they do business.  They have take the strenghts of their competitors and made them strengths of their own while also bring some good features to their services like Plus.  Sony mentality on Indie developers have changed and their thought process on giving the people who will make you successful (Developers) have changed.  Sony as a company I would say made a great comeback.

The PS3, well like some one said, If Sony is willing to pay billions of dollars to gain 2nd place, I am sure MS and Nintendo is more than willing to let Sony do that again.  The winners are still Nintendo and MS.  MS turend around and became a national powerhouse, and Nintendo reclaimed heir crown.

This Gen everything starts over again and it appears before MS even get their product on the market, Sony fans are already proclaiming a win when this generation hasn't begun.  This will not be a sprint but a marathon and all parties are pretty much starting at the same time.

Reading the OP, I would say financials are completely irrelevent to his topic. And even then, the Playstation division went from losing billions annually to making profits similar to what they used to make during the PS2 era (source). Is that not a comeback?



brendude13 on 14 April 2013
Otakumegane said:
brendude13 said:
Otakumegane said:
Where was it stated that Vita was being sold for a profit at $250?

Well they cut the price now so they should be selling at a loss.

According to Amazon, Vita is still $235.

And even then, are you saying that the PS Vita's production cost wouldn't have dropped $15 in over a year?


Did we ever get figures on how much of a loss or profit they were selling these? Looking at the mem card prices, they might have gone with the razor-blades approach and sell the hardware at a moderate loss and make it up with memcard sales.

Nothing I'd trust, just speculation I think.

Making up losses from the Vita itself with memory card sales seems likely. Would explain why they're so stubborn to drop the price.



Mmmfishtacos on 14 April 2013
J_Allard said:
Sorry Sony guys, if you wanted a completely singular, circumscribed discussion to where PS3 is really the only applicable machine, then the OP should have pointed that out.

Of course, 3DS would still win.


Not even close. All the 3ds did was fall and scrape it's knee. It got up, cut it's older brother throat and took his sales. That's it, no miracle about it.



scat398 on 14 April 2013

The ps3 has done a great job of going from a console that was both a commercial failure and revenue failure to at least being a commercial success. But there is no comeback result that will allow it to be considered a greater success then the 360. In terms of both commercial and revenue success the 360 won even if the ps3 ends up selling more commercially worldwide, its huge gap in the most important gaming market will always have it labeled as the loser. And its loss of market share from the ps2 will also have it seen as less successful than the 360.

But with all that said the ps3 can now at least be looked at as no longer a failure and that I see is a good job by Sony to stick with their product and correctly adapting to the market conditions.