Dodge? Did you read what I wrote? Most of your afirmations are wrong... the most notable case is the "more consistent visuals" becasue Forza 4 drops the cars graphics to not unlock the 60fps... the game graphcis became to decrese the quality after 12 players and get worst with 16 players.

I love how Forza fans see the impefection the the other franchise and didn't look at own game... GT5 have issues and any GT5 fans knows that... even so the game is yet a must to have.

Nsanity said: 

The Meish Meister

Standard cars on the other hand, are pretty much directly ported from the PS2 GT4. These older models however, have mainly just had a new paint material shader added to them to give the impression they are premium cars. However just by viewing them you can clearly see these are PS2 era models as seen below, although this image is perhaps one of the worst standard models.

As you can clearly see, the use of alphas for the wheel arches, alloys and windows clearly show that this is a ps2 model, not including the extremely low polygon count. these cars unfortunately take up about 80% of the total car list which is quite a substantial amount.

http://themeshmeister.blogspot.ie/2011/05/game-review-gt5.html

Nsanity said:

I know Forza has faults, but you on the other hand are acting like its in a league of its own.

Forza 4 can't be compared to GT5 graphically.

GT5 is 1080p.

Forza 4 is 720p.

And Forza still looks 'comparable'.

If the PS3 was rendering GT5 at 720p, the amount of detail and effects it could produce would make Forza 4 look like a Wii game.

It still selling because its dirt cheap.

Exactly. i got mine for 15  nz  lol

Nsanity said:  The Meish Meister Standard cars on the other hand, are pretty much directly ported from the PS2 GT4. These older models however, have mainly just had a new paint material shader added to them to give the impression they are premium cars. However just by viewing them you can clearly see these are PS2 era models as seen below, although this image is perhaps one of the worst standard models.     As you can clearly see, the use of alphas for the wheel arches, alloys and windows clearly show that this is a ps2 model, not including the extremely low polygon count. these cars unfortunately take up about 80% of the total car list which is quite a substantial amount. http://themeshmeister.blogspot.ie/2011/05/game-review-gt5.html

Oh God... this is already proved to be fake manipuled zoom to make this cars look worst than it is in the game... you want a take a picture from it?

This really matter for you guys? Ok.

Resolution

Forza Motorsport 4 = 1280x720 (4xAA in time trial, 2xAA otherwise, 4x in car viewing etc.)
Gran Turismo 5 = 1280x720 (4xAA), 1280x1080 (QAA, TAA selectable), 1280x720 (QAA) in 3D mode

In normal races GT5 runs in 1280x720 (4xAA) or 1280x1080 (QAA, TAA selectable) - the native screen of your HDTV is what define the resolution (1080p support the second... up to 1080i the first). Forza 4 always run in 1280x720 (2xAA) in normal races.

Framerate

GT5 runs at 30fps in non-control parts (box, race start, etc) and 60fps for any gamer control part... the framerate is stable with little drops to 55fps (it hardly go below that)... that is in the v1.0... the fixes patchs put the framerate almost locked like Forza 4... the game have some bad framerate drops in 3D.

The video below is from the early versions of GT5... there little framerate drops don't hapen anymory in the latest versions.

http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/gran-turismo-5-frame-rate-analysis

Screen Tearing

I think the guys need to play the game again because it never had massive screentearing... in fact the screen tearing happened because the little framerate drop that happened in early versions.

Cars 

And? This is a subject that just haters complain... the Premium ones are fantastics for everything else... and the MOST IMPORTANT PART OS A SIMULATION GAME the standards cars plays differente from the others too... so the graphics can be lower but the driving physicas are top notch for all cars.

Visual

At it best GT5 is untouchable... at it worst the game seens like any other racing game in the market... overall the you can't say the game is bad because it visual... the visual is one of the best already saw in this generation and in some case the best one for any racing game in the console market.

Now you talk about Forza 4 be more consistent? Bullshit... the Forza 4 graphic engine downgrade the graphics of the cars when the number of the cars in the screen increase... 16 cars races shows ungly cars in Forza 4... less cars shows the best of the graphic engine.

So please make a better research before to talk about CONSISTENT because Turn 10 make some controversial decisions to develiver what Forza 4 delivers... to have a locked framerate they sacrificed the graphics with 16 players in the track.

PLUS (WHAT REALLY MATTER)

"The pseudo-simulation handling model still feels right in a way that surpasses just about anything else out there - Forza 3 is strikingly close as a very different, but competitive drive but certainly in terms of the pseudo-simulation niche of the market, few games handle as well as GT."

It is not about consoles anymore... it is about PC and everything else... few games handle as well as GT5... what matter for racing sim fans is about the best created in the franchise and on pair with the top simulations in PC.

PLUS (FORZA 3 > FORZA 4)

Forget graphics, forget the game itself and focus only in driving simulation... Forza 4 lost a little of the magic that came with Forza 3 in this quesite... I guess (IMO) Turn 10 have to make some concerms in the driving physics, AI engine, graphics engine (dynamic look of the cars) to can make the game run with 16 players locked in 60 fps... the AI is the most dumb alreay created in a racing sim after one of the best of Forza 3 (GT5 just came close to Forza 3 in AI terms after the update 1.12 or 1.13 if I remember and even so the Forza 3 is a little better in AI)... the driving physis lost a little of the simulation to make the things more funny for the casual gamers.

In terms of simulation the Forza 3 is a better game than Forza 4... I think more easy to compare Forza 3 with GT5 than Forza 3.

For now the apice of the franchis (for a simulatior gamer) was Forza 3... I think Turn 10 can work on what makes Forza 3 better and add the new good things in Forza 4 to start do make the new game for Nextbox... I'm wating something really good coming from that if the downgraded thinkgs in Forza 4 was just about the lack of power of the generation.

See ya guys.

dane007 said:

heres video of a 16 car race in forza 4.   The graphics  don't look abd and very consisteNT. NICE TRY BUDDY.  have you even played forza 4? plu syou tend to ignore other racers liek forza horizon as they got praised fo r its graphics to.  Just to point u ti play on al lconsole. i will b e willing to share my psn id  lol

It is the most choice option for buy the first car with 20,000... I picked it too.

Anyway there are other options too... mostly used cars.

PS. I think I have the first picture I take in GT5 with this car... ingame picture.