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Is this truth>?

yes 168 42.21%
 
maybe 58 14.57%
 
no 172 43.22%
 
Total:398
theprof00 on 04 April 2013
Barozi said:

You're even ignoring that many exclusive sequels have lower sales.

LBP > LBP 2
Resistance > Resistance 2 > Resistance 3
Crackdown > Crackdown 2
Forza 3 > Forza 4
Halo 3 > Halo Reach
Warhawk > Starhawk
Super Mario Galaxy > Super Mario Galaxy 2

and much much more. If a multiplat sequel to those games would be on par with the latest game in the series I'd say it was definitely worth it as the trend was going down.


EDIT: Doesn't have to be first party games either. But there aren't many examples of third party exclusives that stayed on only one platform.

Sequels on the same console... Sequels that span 2 consoles tend to improve.



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Mad55 on 04 April 2013

Lol these comparisons are all outta wack.



theprof00 on 04 April 2013
tonymarraffa said:
Chris Hu said:
theprof00 said:
Chris Hu said:
Chandler said:
RE 3 - 3,72
RE 4 - 7,45


Multiplatform for the win.  Also RE 5 sold 8.17 million as long as game is better or almost as good then its predecessor it will sell more by going multiplatform.  But if the quality declines a lot sales will suffer that is why RE 6 only sold 3.93 million copies so far.

>_> ITT at least two people who know 0% about resident evil.

And it looks like you know 0% percent about Sony exclusives since pretty much none of the games you mentioned where ever true Sony exclusives.

PWNED!

You shouldn't encourage him. He thinks an exclusive is a first party game. According to him, Gears of war isn't exclusive.



tonymarraffa on 04 April 2013
theprof00 said:
tonymarraffa said:
Chris Hu said:
theprof00 said:
Chris Hu said:
Chandler said:
RE 3 - 3,72
RE 4 - 7,45


Multiplatform for the win.  Also RE 5 sold 8.17 million as long as game is better or almost as good then its predecessor it will sell more by going multiplatform.  But if the quality declines a lot sales will suffer that is why RE 6 only sold 3.93 million copies so far.

>_> ITT at least two people who know 0% about resident evil.

And it looks like you know 0% percent about Sony exclusives since pretty much none of the games you mentioned where ever true Sony exclusives.

PWNED!

You shouldn't encourage him. He thinks an exclusive is a first party game. According to him, Gears of war isn't exclusive.


LOL it's all in fun dude. Chill out.



Jaywood2010 on 04 April 2013

Tekken - Fighting games in general has been on a decline

Crash Bandicoot - Different developer, lost quality.

Kingdom Hearts - Hasnt been a numbered sequel yet.

Persona 4 - Lol that is like comparing Halo Wars and Halo 3. Not even the same game.


Final Fantasy - JRPG's are on the decline and FFXIII was poorly made.

Metal Gear SOlid - Rising and Solid are two completely different series. Wait for Phantom Pains before making a statement like that

Grand Theft Auto - The are 40k apart so pretty even and GTAIV still is selling.

Devil May Cry - Change of character equals big backlash.


Tomb Raider - Just came out and has already sold around 1.5m

Dead or alive - Once again fighting is on the decline. Also Dead or Alive was also for DreamCast

Most of these are easily explained and I would say that ther is far many more success stories with multiplat than failures. Failures has been the lack of innovating for the most part excluding DMC which was because people hate the new Dante  And by the way, a few opf these was already multiplatform.  Sony just isnt as successful as what they were with the PS1 and PS2




       

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Raze on 04 April 2013

I think this is more of a case of flagships. PS2 was Sony's flagship, Wii is Nintendo's flagship. Hard to say about MS, did the 360 outsell the original XB?



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VGKing on 04 April 2013
TheLastStarFighter said:
At the risk of being harsh, most of what you posted there is garbage. A franchise that declines from one itereation to the next is typical, regardless of gonig multiplatform. Also spinoffs and handhelds are silly comparissions.

Rachet and Clank: 3.33 million. Every game after that declines until we get offerings like A41 selling 1 million on PS3. OMG! Staying exlcussive killed the sales of the franchise!

Can you show any third party exclusive that stayed PS exclusive that had sales that actually increased this gen? No? OK, discussion closed.
That said, there is a seperate argument to be made that "masscote" exclusives are better off as exclusives. I am speaking of Crash Bandicoot. Crash is a weak character and a weak game but it had decent sales because Sony did great marketing of it in order to battle Mario. It probably would have sold like garbage if it wasn't pitched as the next Sonic. To a lesser extent you could say FF7 got a nice boost being pitched as Sony's "Zelda", so to speak. But these are 1st party titles really. As far as 3rd party titles go, there is absolutely no evidence to say that staying exclusive is good for them, or that exclusive/multiplat has any impact on sales.

Good luck finding one.

theprof00 said:
LemonSlice said:
Most of these comparisons are 6th vs 7th generation, which isn't really fair, since the PS3 install base was much smaller than PS2's during the releases, and only the combined PS360 was comparable, and in some comparisons smaller, which is why you see comparable or smaller results on the 7th gen multiplatform vs PS2.

Yes but the comparisons aren't so bad actually. 7 years in ps2 had 102m vs 73m. Not huge, considering ps2's broke every 2 years. Install base is likely very similar.

LOL and PS3s didn't break? YLOD says hi.

Chandler said:
RE 3 - 3,72
RE 4 - 7,45

That's PS1 to PS2. We're talking the transition into the current gen.(PS3 7th gen)

Since RE4 wasn't a Sony exclusive, we can't even do the comparison with RE5.

The funny thing is that RE4 was a Gamecube exclusive, but sold horribly. Once it hit PS2, it sold really well. I know this is off-topic, but this is proof of how 3rd party titles tend to not be very successful when put exclusively on a Nintendo platform. People prefer to play games like Resident Evil on a Sony or Microsoft console.



crissindahouse on 04 April 2013

or maybe ps3 is just much less successful as ps2 and people who cared about those kind of games have no console anymore which means those games would also sell less on ps3 if they wouldn't be also on 360? (as example ff)

not to talk about dying genres like fighting games which not many care about nowadays. (there is a reason why people call this gen the shooter gen)

i hope that's the reason because otherwise people are just stupid if they stop buying games they like just because they aren't exclusive anymore.

btw how much did san andreas sell on ps2 before it was released on xbox? because from then it wasn't exclusive anymore and i remember it sold a ton even years after release.



VGKing on 04 April 2013

It's worth nothing that San Andreas wasn't a true Sony exclusive since there were Xbox and PC versions a year later. The franchise went multi-platform before the 7th gen started so any decline in sales is due to something else.

Grand Theft Auto IV is far from a failure though.



oniyide on 04 April 2013

This is true, if one wants to ignore the multiple factors going into these games. install base has already been mentioned and genre has been mentioned.

Tekken 6 is seen as worst than 5 which is probably why it didnt do as well. (Scenario mode? the hell was that?) if it was exclusive it would have sold the same, because those who bought it on xbox would have bought it on PS3 and would have the same numbers. You could say the same for most these games

Crash sucked after ND stop developing it, that simple. People arent stupid they noticed the dip in quality.

KH you are comparing a main entry to what are essentially handheld spinoffs. it is unfair and a flawed comparison. not to mention there was a KH game released BEFORE KH2 came out on a non Sony system, so its more of an issue with people not wanting to play these games on handhelds

Persona4 you know this is wrong but youre going with it anyway. Nice, fighters are not that popular unless its Smash, SF, or MK.

katamari maybe

FF lets ignore how divisive ff13 was. IMHO it would have done worst, because people were not going to buy PS3s for what is seen as a mediocore game at best

MGS why compare main entries to spinoffs? makes no sense. of course people are not going to buy it, as an MGS fan. Im not getting it because for all intents purposes its not a MGS game. Its a hacknslash with MG paint on it.

GTA maybe

DMC the quality of the latter doesnt come close to DMC3. not even a contest.

TR one it was never really exclusive. so argument is already flawed. the first was released on PC and Saturn and the rest was released on PC. The game peaked at the sequel and it was downhill from their. It started sucking BEFORE the PS1 series even finished. and my god that PS2 game. The reboot is the fastest selling it has been in a while so not sure what you are getting at.