In 2008 when Wii sales were higher than the year before maybe? Or in late 2009 when price cut + Super Mario gave the system the biggest holiday ever?

If a gamer wants to consider buying a next gen platform and is only considering software (not hardware specs) then it is easy to say the gamer would realize the Playstation 4 library of exclusives holds far more depth and even quantity in number of titles than Nintendo's first party offerings.

So then if you are arguing software will increase Wii U sales, how about comparing software between the Wii U and the other 2 next-gen consoles?

So your argument is that software will not sell hardware, but your suggestion is that Nintendo should have unveiled more software?

I don't think any of us are going to argue that the Wii U's current lineup for the next few months is anything special. But that's the way it always is with new console releases.

As for the next gen console lineup, the majority of the games you've listed are games that are being made for this gen that will also be playable on the 720 and PS4. As I recall, that made up the majority of the Wii U's opening lineup...and that didn't sell so well. Why exactly do you believe it will be any different here?

If people can play Destiny on their 360, they will do that instead of buying a 720 and a copy of Destiny for the 720. 

(I should point out as well that Battlefield 4 has yet to be confirmed for next year)

The games that are exclusively next gen are, at this point, the next Killzone and Infamous. Hardly seems much better than the opening Wii U lineup.

My main argument is that Wii U first party titles will not boost sales of the console into first place at the end of this console lifecycle, Why? Because the sheer quantity and quality of first party titles for the Playstation 4, combined with third-party exclusives, means that a gamer looking for the best software library will not be lured by the Wii U.

Lost Planet 3 will firebomb. This thread is familiar

*Sigh* Do we need another topic like this? Well a few things...

1. Apparently, casual gamers, and gamers who don't prefer shooters don't exist. All your list shows are titles that appeal to the narrow range of hardcore gamers out there. There is a whole world of people outside those dempgraphics, and that's where Nintendo's success has come from.

2. Stop overselling games. Is the Wii U not having Wichter some kind of a big deal? That's not to say anything about the quality of the game. Battlefield 4 and GTA V are the biggest deals there. The latter of which may not be coming to the PS4 or 720 either.

3. Are we going to pretend that Nintendo doesn't have the best arsenal of first party games (in terms of sales) of any of the three companies? Nintendo's franchises are bigger than anything in the industry that's not Call of Duty, GTA, or Halo. Donkey Kong Country Returns (one of Nintendo's B franchises). Aside from GTA, is anything on this list as big as the Mario Franchise? Wii Fit? Mario Kart? Smash Bros?

4. Half of this list is saying "the Wii U won't sell well cause it doesn't have Sony exclusives" which is pretty lulzy.

Is it really that hard for people to understand that there are tons of gamers and potential gamers out there who aren't going to be swayed by Battlefield and Star Wars 1313? Appealing to these gamers is what Nintendo did with the DS and Wii, and what they're going to try with the Wii U. Will they be successful? That I don't know, but not having Prey on their system isn't really going to change things one way or another.

Since the majority of the opening PS4 titles are avaliable on the PS3, people will simply stick with their PS3 and continue to play the games on there until the PS4 gets established a few years later down the road. It's the same reason the Wii U hasn't sold as well as it was supposed to, and the same reason the PS3 didn't sell at all back in 2006 (that and it's ridiculously high price tag).

If your system doesn't have a ton of must have exclusives (as in, things that can't be played on previous gen), then it won't sell that well (barring some other "cool" feature like the Wii had)

wiiU will be another gamecube, apart from smash bros, new super mario, 3d mario, new zelda, few jrps theres absolutly no chance wiiU can compete with ps4720 as a gamers console.

all titles will be geared towards nex-gen development, ie ps4720 will drive advancement in gaming with wiiU hardly getting any ports.

i wish the gamepad had been ditched in favour of bundling normal wireless controller and beefing up machine instead. it didnt need to be most powerfull just good enough to get all the games.

i wish it does well but with all the titles ariving on other consoles its hard to choose wiiu over them

If you believe that the Wii U is going to ride a wave of first-party games into the first place of sales in this generation, you are miserably wrong.

Please realize that those casual gamers who initially bought the Wii aren't necessarily going to be swayed by Zelda or Mario (which are not really targeted to casual gamers are they?)

Overall, the Wii sold MUCH less in terms of games per console. People were buying it for Wii Sports and some dance games.

Who's arguing here that it will be in 1st place? You suggested Wii U wouldn't be boosted at all by software, which is completely wrong.

Also. the Wii's attach ratio for software isn't much lower than PS3. Its right here on the site, look it up.