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osed125 on 20 March 2013
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
osed125 said:
pokoko said:

I also don't really understand his criticism of the PS4's Share system. Who would want to attempt editing it on the PS4? What it does is it allows you to upload those "OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT JUST HAPPENED" moments which you can then download and edit however you want before uploading the finished product. How is that not good?

Not everyone does that kind of videos. Some very popular youtubers do edit their videos and only show the funniest parts. It's a good idea for a stream or something but when you think about it, popular youtube videos (in terms of video game obviously) do have some sort of edition in them.

And if you want to stream, there are better solutions like Twitch because everyone can watch it, if you do it only on the PS4 that means that for people to watch it they need a PS4 and need to be connected (unless you can it on your PC like normal). 

do they point you a gun and say use this feature or you die? its just one of the things ps4 does , you dont need to use it.

Sony obviously wants you to use it because it's a bottom on the controller, so they do want this thing to become a main thing in their console and not a secondary thing. The thing is in how many people are going to use it.



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Kwaidd on 20 March 2013
FrancisNobleman said:
Anyone care to summarize it for the lazy ones ?

Nope, not I.



pokoko on 20 March 2013
osed125 said:
pokoko said:

I also don't really understand his criticism of the PS4's Share system. Who would want to attempt editing it on the PS4? What it does is it allows you to upload those "OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT JUST HAPPENED" moments which you can then download and edit however you want before uploading the finished product. How is that not good?

Not everyone does that kind of videos. Some very popular youtubers do edit their videos and only show the funniest parts. It's a good idea for a stream or something but when you think about it, popular youtube videos (in terms of video game obviously) do have some sort of edition in them.

And if you want to stream, there are better solutions like Twitch because everyone can watch it, if you do it only on the PS4 that means that for people to watch it they need a PS4 and need to be connected (unless you can it on your PC like normal).

I'm not sure exactly what you mean here.  We know you can share to Facebook and that you can stream to Ustream.  Who knows what other services it will have access to, either at launch or eventually.  My point is, you can record easily, post it, download it to PC, edit it, then re-upload it to anywhere you like.  I don't see any negatives in that.



osed125 on 20 March 2013
Dr.Grass said:
The reason gamers emphasize the power of a console has nothing to do with the amount of sales - honestly, DOES IT MATTER that the Wii sold more than the PS3 to any gamer!?

The F A C T is that the PS3 has much better games largely thanks to being much more powerful. This is why we argue. Seriously, for such smart guys (apparently), they really don't seem to be aware of this at all.

Not to mention that there are always so many complex factors involved in "who wins" that bringing it down to power alone is obviously not the right way to do it.

I'm starting to wonder if I'm going to be exposing myself to this shit every few years for the rest of my life. I might just quit vg websites altogether because its just an endless loop of the same thing over and over.

I haven't even started arguing against their point. So many things that could be brought up, but why bother? Just means I'd have to type the same shit out again once Durango specs are revealed etc.

Surprised that they were intrigued by the move-implementation on the DS4.

@bold that's subjective, you can't say which console has the best games because that is and will always be a matter of opinion. The only way to measure the success of a console is throw sales. Keep in mind I'm talking about business success, because if you want to say which console is the best in terms of games there will always be opinions and not facts in your choice, and there will never be a winner (the winner will be the company that has the bigger fanbase).

I do agree that the matter of who wins is a much more complex matter, but there most be reason as to why every single gen the weakest console has always won (in terms of sales), it's a clear pattern that so far hasn't been broken yet.



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TheLastStarFighter on 20 March 2013

I'd like to think that everyone knows that the cheapest, weakest console generally wins. I actually didn't realise how much weaker systems like the PS1 and 2 were in comparisson to the others. 50% ram? The video makes some good points. Generally gamers don't care about specs, just games and price. The PS4 has some qualities that could make it easier to develop for, namely no Cell and lots of RAM. Developers hate trying to fit things into low RAM. Streaming games could be awesome, if the internet can keep up.



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Dr.Grass on 20 March 2013
osed125 said:
Dr.Grass said:
The reason gamers emphasize the power of a console has nothing to do with the amount of sales - honestly, DOES IT MATTER that the Wii sold more than the PS3 to any gamer!?

The F A C T is that the PS3 has much better games largely thanks to being much more powerful. This is why we argue. Seriously, for such smart guys (apparently), they really don't seem to be aware of this at all.

Not to mention that there are always so many complex factors involved in "who wins" that bringing it down to power alone is obviously not the right way to do it.

I'm starting to wonder if I'm going to be exposing myself to this shit every few years for the rest of my life. I might just quit vg websites altogether because its just an endless loop of the same thing over and over.

I haven't even started arguing against their point. So many things that could be brought up, but why bother? Just means I'd have to type the same shit out again once Durango specs are revealed etc.

Surprised that they were intrigued by the move-implementation on the DS4.

@bold that's subjective, you can't say which console has the best games because that is and will always be a matter of opinion. The only way to measure the success of a console is throw sales. Keep in mind I'm talking about business success, because if you want to say which console is the best in terms of games there will always be opinions and not facts in your choice, and there will never be a winner (the winner will be the company that has the bigger fanbase).

If you're going to play that card, then...

*googling "hot girl" posting first image*

*googling "ugly girl" posting first image*

Then you can't objectively say that either. I don't agree - at all.



osed125 on 20 March 2013
pokoko said:
osed125 said:
pokoko said:

I also don't really understand his criticism of the PS4's Share system. Who would want to attempt editing it on the PS4? What it does is it allows you to upload those "OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT JUST HAPPENED" moments which you can then download and edit however you want before uploading the finished product. How is that not good?

Not everyone does that kind of videos. Some very popular youtubers do edit their videos and only show the funniest parts. It's a good idea for a stream or something but when you think about it, popular youtube videos (in terms of video game obviously) do have some sort of edition in them.

And if you want to stream, there are better solutions like Twitch because everyone can watch it, if you do it only on the PS4 that means that for people to watch it they need a PS4 and need to be connected (unless you can it on your PC like normal).

I'm not sure exactly what you mean here.  We know you can share to Facebook and that you can stream to Ustream.  Who knows what other services it will have access to, either at launch or eventually.  My point is, you can record easily, post it, download it to PC, edit it, then re-upload it to anywhere you like.  I don't see any negatives in that.

You can record the footage directly on your PC, edit the video there and upload it. Why would you record the footage (that can be really long, some youtubers say that a single recording session are like 2 hours of footage) to upload it (which again can be very long), then download it, edit it and upload it again? It doesn't make any sense.

For a stream this feature is a great idea, for a single youtube video that is 10 minutes long that requires editing, I don't see how this can be used effectively. Mind you this is because there's no way to edit your video as of right now, but if Sony announce a way to it (even if it as bad a MS Movie Maker), then I can see this feature having more sense. 



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badgenome on 20 March 2013

I quit watching when he called the Neo Geo a competitor to the SNES. SNK was intentionally playing to a niche market of people who wanted arcade quality games at home, not trying to compete with Nintendo. Seemed like they downported most of their games to the SNES.



osed125 on 20 March 2013
Dr.Grass said:
osed125 said:
Dr.Grass said:
The reason gamers emphasize the power of a console has nothing to do with the amount of sales - honestly, DOES IT MATTER that the Wii sold more than the PS3 to any gamer!?

The F A C T is that the PS3 has much better games largely thanks to being much more powerful. This is why we argue. Seriously, for such smart guys (apparently), they really don't seem to be aware of this at all.

Not to mention that there are always so many complex factors involved in "who wins" that bringing it down to power alone is obviously not the right way to do it.

I'm starting to wonder if I'm going to be exposing myself to this shit every few years for the rest of my life. I might just quit vg websites altogether because its just an endless loop of the same thing over and over.

I haven't even started arguing against their point. So many things that could be brought up, but why bother? Just means I'd have to type the same shit out again once Durango specs are revealed etc.

Surprised that they were intrigued by the move-implementation on the DS4.

@bold that's subjective, you can't say which console has the best games because that is and will always be a matter of opinion. The only way to measure the success of a console is throw sales. Keep in mind I'm talking about business success, because if you want to say which console is the best in terms of games there will always be opinions and not facts in your choice, and there will never be a winner (the winner will be the company that has the bigger fanbase).

If you're going to play that card, then...

*googling "hot girl" posting first image*

*hot chick*

*googling "ugly girl" posting first image*

*....If I'm drunk I'll do her*

Then you can't objectively say that either. I don't agree - at all.

What's your point? Obviously you are not going to compare Uncharted with Funky Farm or Mario Galaxy with Amy.

The "real" comparisons are Mario vs. Uncharted, Halo vs. Metroid, GoD of War vs. Zelda. Good games vs. Good games. Which again it only depends on your opinions and not facts.

For someone Uncharted is 10x better than Halo, but for others is the other way around, this is all subjective.  



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Dr.Grass on 20 March 2013
osed125 said:
Dr.Grass said:
osed125 said:
Dr.Grass said:
The reason gamers emphasize the power of a console has nothing to do with the amount of sales - honestly, DOES IT MATTER that the Wii sold more than the PS3 to any gamer!?

The F A C T is that the PS3 has much better games largely thanks to being much more powerful. This is why we argue. Seriously, for such smart guys (apparently), they really don't seem to be aware of this at all.

Not to mention that there are always so many complex factors involved in "who wins" that bringing it down to power alone is obviously not the right way to do it.

I'm starting to wonder if I'm going to be exposing myself to this shit every few years for the rest of my life. I might just quit vg websites altogether because its just an endless loop of the same thing over and over.

I haven't even started arguing against their point. So many things that could be brought up, but why bother? Just means I'd have to type the same shit out again once Durango specs are revealed etc.

Surprised that they were intrigued by the move-implementation on the DS4.

@bold that's subjective, you can't say which console has the best games because that is and will always be a matter of opinion. The only way to measure the success of a console is throw sales. Keep in mind I'm talking about business success, because if you want to say which console is the best in terms of games there will always be opinions and not facts in your choice, and there will never be a winner (the winner will be the company that has the bigger fanbase).

If you're going to play that card, then...

*googling "hot girl" posting first image*

*hot chick*

*googling "ugly girl" posting first image*

*....If I'm drunk I'll do her*

Then you can't objectively say that either. I don't agree - at all.

 

What's your point? Obviously you are not going to compare Uncharted with Funky Farm or Mario Galaxy with Amy.

The "real" comparisons are Mario vs. Uncharted, Halo vs. Metroid, GoD of War vs. Zelda. Good games vs. Good games. Which again it only depends on your opinions and not facts.

For someone Uncharted is 10x better than Halo, but for others is the other way around, this is all subjective.  

 


- Take any list of top 25 PS3 and top 25 Wii games.

- Present said list to a large enough sample space of gamers before sending them off to a desert island for 3 years.

- See that the vast majority of gamers would rather take the PS3 games.

- Realise that there is such a thing as objectivity in such a matter.