Wii U

Pikmin 3 and WW HD are not system sellers, they will be mainly bought by big Nintendo fans, so by people who already have the console. I think that KZ:M, Soul Sacrifice and Tearaway may actually move more consoles, even if they sell less copies.

Pikmin 3 may not be, but WW HD 100% is. 

As I said earlier in the thread, sales increased dramatically for the 3DS when OoT 3D launched, and yet there's so much more going for the HD re-release of Wind Waker than for OoT. It may be mainly Nintendo fans who get it, but a lot of them don't have Wii U's yet. In addition, Zelda is always a safe bet for casuals and will likely have a bigger appeal to neutral Christmas shoppers.

But maybe we're reading into it a bit much at that point.

Wii U got better out of the gate, but then dived much worse than Vita did and at this point is doing much worse. When talking about 2013 sales this is an important factor, because it tells us about the momentum the consoles have and Vita is ahead in this department. The sales from week 1-3 aren't as important at this point as the momentum. You were suggesting in your argument as if Wii U was really wiping the floor with Vita, while it's clearly not the case. Vita has been selling more steady than Wii U and is clearly rising right now, while there is no sign on the horison for Wii U to get out of the 30k/week slump. There will be some games or the West released soon and the pricecut will come a week before them, which will also bolster sales. I really doubt Nintendo will cut the price earlier than November.

@bold - that's just your opinion. I'm strenghtening the fact that Nintendo fans are constantly ignoring and maybe that's just making you angry? The games are coming, but WHEN is the big question here and the most important factor. Will they come in 2013? Who can really tell? I mean, they have to throw something out for Christmas to try and fight PS4/X720, but considering how they are struggling with Pikmin 3 I can easily see many games getting delayed as well or Nintendo strongly embracing the patch option with giving us sub-Nintendo quality unfinished games. Vita on the other hand has games announced and getting released all the time now (especially in Japan). We have a decent release calendar in the West. At the same time the Wii U games are in the same pack as the yet unannounced Vita games (like the next Sony Bend game, AC: Rising Phoenix, next CoD, MGSVita: Phantom Pain, etc.), so games that nobody is including in the calculations so far - and for a reason. There is a huge difference between a game getting released soon and a game just being announced for some distant future.

And seriously, yet another port of MH3 is a good game? Seriously? Now, when MH4 is going to be released soon and everyone has already played this game on Wii or 3DS? You think it will help Nintendo sell more than a handful of consoles? If it was MH4, it would be huge, but it's just an old port and I can't see it being a major factor driving hardware sales. I think that even MH fans, while waiting for MH4, would rather buy a much cheaper Vita for SS and God Eater 2 rather than Wii U and yet another copy of the old MH3.

WW HD may be a moderate system seller, but not a major one. OoT did improve the sales but not that much and for a short period of time. Also let's not forget that all these games are supposed to be coming out so late in the year that they will already have to compete with PS4/X720 and their hype. Vita is acting now, while Wii U is waiting for Christmas. At least until October Vita will easily dominate Wii U, we'll have to see if Nintendo can make up for that loss just before the finish line.

Vita had been on the market a week in Europe by the end of Feb 2012. Error :) don't think it had much longer on the market in the US either?

Add in the time of year (this last Christmas was Vita's first Western christmas as well as Wii U's) and you're never going to get apples - apples comparisons.

yeah launching about a couple weeks before BF is just a little bit of an advantage

Both systems are going to be colossal disappointments, but IMO Wii U wins pretty easily in the battle of failures.

The worst two months for the Wii U are over, from now until year end it should have a pretty OK flow of games. LEGO City + Dragon Quest X (Japan) this month, probably Game & Wario next month, then hopefully Pikmin 3 in May, and Wii Fit U or Wonderful 101 in June going into fall where Nintendo revs up their bigger guns.

Vita, I'm still not seeing any semblance of a future lineup here. It seems like they blew their load in Japan already for the year and got a nice little surge, but what's next?

Both systems will be getting price cuts this year (count on it, especially with these dismal sales and the dropping yen) so that's a wash.

I don't know about 3D Mario, but I'd bet dollars to donughts that Mario Kart U and Wii Sports U are almost definitely guaranteed for fall 2013, Nintendo will divert all of Retro Studios to help EAD if that's what it takes to get Mario Kart done on time, they simply don't have a choice.

Though 3D Mario shouldn't really be out of the question either, the last game the main EAD Tokyo group did was Super Mario Galaxy 2 (a smaller sub team did Mario 3D Land), that will be 3 1/2 years from fall 2013, so they are overdue for a new game anyway.

Check the official Vita thread, new games are being announced in Japan near daily now. Even Western releases are starting to stack up.

There's nothing big enough there to move hardware. It needs a Gran Turismo or an exclusive Final Fantasy or Monster Hunter or GTA and I don't think any of those are happening.