@thekitchensink, there WAS NO your post, when i was replying.
MGS is a BIG game WW, non in Japan.

@ZenfoldorVGI,
you never know. =)

depends on how many mgs fans bought ps3 by the release time.

burnout 5 sells better on PS3, next dmc4? =)

zelda? i don`t see it in charts. =)

you know what effect 299$ price will do on ps3 sales? :)

NO, i just FIND interesting, that SMG sales are very CLOSE to SMS sales with same number of userbase.

PS3 aleready outselling x360 HW in December, January. =)

well, who knows, everything is possible, NOT? =)

@Final-Fan, We can use Japan graphics to SEE selling TRENDS. Sales trends in other regions we don`t know. Only Total sales.
BUT because since n64 has passed 10 years, mostlikely MARKET has changed.
And ONLY SMS is closest for comparing sales of SMG.

So, if it DOESN` matter, WHAT is your PURPOSE in THIS thread? =)))))

Around 20-25% sales is maximum. I expect 8 mln. LTD at most.

That you, who TRY to IGNORE JAPANESE sales TREND.

I know that comparing the attachment rates doesn't work that well, I simply took away the point Crazzy was building.

You don't see Zelda in the chartz? Look better. There are only 4 Ps3 games this week that beat it. Ha-ha! And in total sales it already > Ps3 game nr 2 and 3 combined! And don't attachment rate me, because it has an attachment rate of 22.5 % which ONLY 3 Ps3 games beat.

Now, let me put up a couple of graphs (Oh no! we're back at were we started!)

You are telling me SMG has worse legs than SM64 and SMS in Japan? It is catching up to SM64!

http://vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=Japan&game1=Super+Mario+64+-+N64®2=Japan&game2=Super+Mario+Sunshine+-+GC®3=Japan&game3=Super+Mario+Galaxy+-+Wii&weeks=20

Brawl isn't doing surpreme in Japan? Look at it compete to it's precessors: IN ONE WEEK it did what its pressessors did in 16!

http://vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=Japan&game1=Super+Smash+Bros+-+N64®2=Japan&game2=Super+Smash+Bros+Melee+-+GC®3=Japan&game3=&weeks=20

All final fantasy games sell better on the first version in Japan? Think again

http://vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=Japan&game1=Final+Fantasy+VII+-+PS®2=Japan&game2=Final+Fantasy+VIII+-+PS®3=Japan&game3=&weeks=100

Something has happened to the FF series.

Look here: Part 1.

FF series had a HUGE leap on the NES console, and on the first SNES it also sold well. http://vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=Japan&game1=Final+Fantasy+I+%26+II+-+NES®2=Japan&game2=Final+Fantasy+III+-+NES®3=Japan&game3=Final+Fantasy+IV+-+SNES&weeks=100

Part 2

On the SNES the series continued to grow a lot.

http://vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=Japan&game1=Final+Fantasy+VI+-+SNES®2=Japan&game2=Final+Fantasy+V+-+SNES®3=Japan&game3=Final+Fantasy+IV+-+SNES&weeks=100

Part 3:

On the PS, it increased even more! http://vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=Japan&game1=Final+Fantasy+VI+-+SNES®2=Japan&game2=Final+Fantasy+VII+-+PS®3=Japan&game3=Final+Fantasy+VIII+-+PS&weeks=100

Part 4:

But at IX, something happened. The series had a drop, for the first time. IX sold less than VII and VIII had. http://vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=Japan&game1=Final+Fantasy+IX+-+PS®2=Japan&game2=Final+Fantasy+VII+-+PS®3=Japan&game3=Final+Fantasy+VIII+-+PS&weeks=100


Part 5:

At the first Ps2 game, people thought it would have an increase, but it didn't. It barely sold better than the "flop" IX. http://vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=Japan&game1=Final+Fantasy+VIII+-+PS®2=Japan&game2=Final+Fantasy+IX+-+PS®3=Japan&game3=Final+Fantasy+X+-+PS2&weeks=100

Part 6:

Square had now started to make a lot of Spin-offs from the real series. Maybe in an attempt to stop the trend. It didn't work. FFXI sold 158K (WTF? Is this wrong?) and FFXII sold a little less than FFX.


Ok, let's have a look at GT series.

Part 1: GT1 sold well, and GT2 followed up with half the sales. http://vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=Japan&game1=Gran+Turismo+-+PS®2=Japan&game2=Gran+Turismo+2+-+PS®3=Japan&game3=Gran+Turismo+3+A-Spec+-+PS2&weeks=100

Part 2:


GT3 sold at GT2 level, surprisingly low, and GT4 prologue sold 1/3 of that again, while GT4 sold 2/3 of it. GT4 prologue and GT4 sold a total of the same as GT3. Even though it was 3 games this gen, not 2, it sold 1/3 less than it did on Ps1.

Part 3:

Gran Turismo 5 prologue has so far been tracking WAY below 4 prologue, which is the least selling in the series. We can thereby expect that GT5 itself will also sell rather poorly.
http://vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=Japan&game1=Gran+Turismo+4+Prologue+-+PS2®2=Japan&game2=Gran+Turismo+5+Prologue+-+PS3®3=All&game3=Gran+Turismo+5+Prologue+-+PS3&weeks=100

Metal Gear Solid.

Part 1:

Metal Gear Solid 1 sold well, but way below SMG levels. MGS 2 sold even better. MGS2 exspansion sold far away from well, at 1/5 of MGS1.
http://vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=Japan&game1=Metal+Gear+Solid+-+PS®2=Japan&game2=Metal+Gear+Solid+2%3A+Sons+of+Liberty+-+PS2®3=All&game3=Metal+Gear+Solid+2%3A+Substance+-+PS2&weeks=100

Part 2:

Metal Gear Solid 3 sold A LOT more than the earlier in the series, almost 3 times as much. The expansion did not sell very well. http://vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=Japan&game1=Metal+Gear+Solid+3%3A+Subsistence+-+PS2®2=Japan&game2=Metal+Gear+Solid+2%3A+Sons+of+Liberty+-+PS2®3=All&game3=Metal+Gear+Solid+20th+Anniversary%3A+Metal+Gear+Solid+Collection+-+PS2&weeks=100

MGS is the only of the 3 major franchises that do not drop.

For Ps Minor Franchises

Tekken:

Part 1: Tekken sold well, at same level as MGS. Tekken 2 had a major increase, and almost doubled the sales. Tekken 3 kept up with Tekken 2 and sold a little higher. Tekken looked like it would become a major franchise for the Ps. http://vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=Japan&game1=Tekken+-+PS®2=Japan&game2=Tekken+2+-+PS®3=Japan&game3=Tekken+3+-+PS&weeks=100

Part 2: Something happened to Tekken. At nr 4, it sold half of what nr 1 had, and less than a third of 3. Nr 5 sold even less than 4. Tekken Tag tournament also came out, and sold more than 4 and 5, but a lot less than 1. http://vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=Japan&game1=Tekken+4+-+PS2®2=Japan&game2=Tekken+5+-+PS2®3=Japan&game3=Tekken+Tag+Tournament+-+PS2&weeks=100

Resident Evil: Used to be PS exclusive, but lost a bit too GC and now 5 is multiplat

Dragon Quest: I looked over this, simply a great selling franchise with almost no changes at all. If it comes to Ps3 it will sell fairly good, at least better than FF, so after Ps3 (if DQ comes for Ps3) I guess this might jump up to Major franchise, if I am not misscalculating and it already is.

CrazzyMan said: zelda? i don`t see it in charts. =) [/quote]

Let me just clarify this.

 

Your a Sony fan, and your talking to me, a Nintendo fan, about poor sales?

 

You win. I have nothing. 

CrazzyMan, I don't know if you're being deliberately obtuse or genuinely delusional.

EVEN WITHOUT WEEKLY WW SALES DATA FOR SM64, WE CAN TAKE THE DATA WE DO HAVE AND MAKE EXTREMELY WELL-FOUNDED ESTIMATIONS. For instance, the TOTAL sales of JAP SM64 and NA/EUR SM64 are known; the weekly sales of JAP SM64 are known; and the total and weekly sales of JAP, NA, and EUR SMG sales are known. Based on this, we can say that TOTAL sales of JAP SMG are ALREADY as bad as a share of WW as SM64 EVER was, and getting worse; and therefore SMG will do BETTER WW than your JAP-ONLY graph would indicate.

I AM NOT IGNORING JAP SALES TRENDS. YOU ARE IGNORING NA AND EUR SALES TRENDS.

My "purpose in this thread" is to discuss SALES, not "OMG casuals don't buy REAL games". 

And thanks for ignoring my request from the last post. 

Are there any other franchises I should put in there?

Arguing with a closed mind guy is very tough.
CrazzyMan is really blind and his life depends on PS3, taking this away from him, would be like taking his soul away from him, I personally got tired of him, he just spams nonsense as of late.

@Oyvoyvoyv,

NOT really. http://vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=Japan&game1=Super+Smash+Bros+-+N64®2=Japan&game2=Super+Smash+Bros+Melee+-+GC®3=Japan&game3=&weeks=50 Cherry picking.

THAT`s you FANTASY.

FF main games NOT anymore on Nintendo systems.

potatoes and bannanas.

STILL over 2 mln.

Second GT game on system sells less. GT > GT2, GT3 > GT4.

@Final-Fan,

Then Mario N64? dream ON.
For now SMG sales are VERY CLOSE to SMS sales, FACT.
They are DECLINING, what i ignore?

@ZenfoldorVGI, i don`t see Zelda in top20 WW weekly sales. Do you See?

Final Fan, you have a very good point, but you are wrong. In Japan SM64 sold 1.9M in USA 6.9 and in Europe 3.1M. This means 15.9 %, or 16 % of the sales are in Japan.

SMG has sold 0.9 in Japan, 3 in USA and 1.67 in Europe. This means 16.1 % of Galaxy's sales are in Japan. So Japan vs Japan is fair. Unless I misunderstood you that is.

The problem with this however, is that Japan has become a very 1 day sales for consoles, and SMG won't go a lot higher there (1.2M max) while Europe is a VERY "leggy" country, so that means the % of Japan should go down to 12ish percent, so that you have to add to Japan.

I'll do the math, and hope I'm right.

First we find 1 % of the total sales. After 13 weeks in Japan, SMG had sold 887K. 887/12=7391K. That is the total sales. (I know, it doesn't fit, but because the mentioned above it might be later)

SM64 had 1080K/16=6750. If I am right, that means SMG is tracking above SM64 overall, just that we do not have the numbers. Even if I am wrong, and 14 % will be the total sales, SMG is tracking alike with SM64.

Crazzy, I never said that 2 selling half was bad. I just commented, cause that is natural. That IX sold less is not potatoes and bananas, it's just that you have no real excuse. SMS sold 18 % of its sales in Japan, which means you have to divide it by 18 aned then multiply by 100 to find the approx sales at the time, Galaxy will only have about 14% in Japan.

I see Zelda at 31 place or something, only 5 Ps3 games beat it.

@Oyvoyvoyv,

Somehow your graphs doesn`t work.
On New Playstation console, New FF/GT game sales more, then last FF/GT game on previous console.
That`s how that always was.there will be MORE, after FFXIII, MGS4, GT5 and etc.