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Are sony fans getting over confident?

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veritaz on 14 March 2013
Carl2291 said:
007BondAgent said:


that's only possible by using shipped numbers, and tretton confirmed the PS3 shipped 77m which is slighly more then the 360

No he didnt confirm anything. He said he THINKS that theyre at 77 Million. Without knowing Xbox shipments its impossible to say. We wont know if its outshipped the 360 until the Quarterly reports. Right now, the best thing we have is VGChartz.

Hynad said:

Most people get that. But most of the people in here who mentioned the great sales of the PS3 weren't referring to the current lifetime total sales. 

They were stating the fact that the PS3 has been selling better (as in: more units yearly) than the 360 over the years.

Most of those people were replying to me saying that the PS3 was in 3rd place after Deyon was gloating about it being top of the charts for the week. The fact that PS3 has sold more than the 360 through the years means relatively little, when it still hasnt passed it in lifetime totals.

The PS3 has passed it, the gap is almost non existent just give up with trying to fight it.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 14 March 2013

As if Sony never gave Sony console owners reasons to be confident in their ability to produce.



ironmanDX on 14 March 2013

Right now, yes. Sony is in the worst financial position of the three by far. They're improving though and seem to be back on the rise. I'm pretty sure their stocks are still in the junk category though, (or near it) even after the ps4's announcement. The price of parts alone for the ps4 is to be estimated at $450-500 as I've discussed in other threads and Sony can't afford a big loss. The price for the console will also be around that so the loss will be small to moderate. In my opinion, the price will be to high again and who knows what will happen.

Not to mention that the neXtbox hasn't been revealed yet and there are people are claiming that it will win (not too much here than other sites but admit it, it exists). It's like blind folding yourself before a fight. Foolish.

After I've said that though, a lot of it is hype. People getting caught in it, an easy thing to do. Especially after coming out of the longest gen yet. We're all feeling it. It's waning down now, well for me at least, then it will re-explode when the 720 is announced.



archbrix on 14 March 2013
Tachikoma said:
Carl2291 said:
theshonen8899 said:

You don't seem to get the point. The PS3 was released a year after the 360. The means the PS3 has sold far more units per year than the Xbox 360. It's barely third in absolute sales (which means nothing), but second in sales per units by a wide margin, the only statistic that actually makes sense. If you REALLY want to use total sale, you'd need to add in the last year of PS2's sales to the PS3's sales to properly compare it to the 360, which is still larger.

There are more 360's sold worldwide than there are PS3's sold worldwide. Your "point" doesnt matter.

360 - 74,519,356
PS3 - 73,206,500

The PS3 is in 3rd place. No matter how many different excuses you use. No matter how much you try spin the numbers. The headstart doesnt matter. Aligned launches dont matter. Units per year doesnt matter. It doesnt matter if you want to add PS2 numbers to the PS3 total.

The PS3 is in 3rd place.

PS3. 3rd place.

3rd place.

Lets look at some points here :

1) 1 year headstart in sales
2) aligned launch dates sees ps3 outselling 360 consistently
3) sells more units per year
4) lower failure rate thus..
5) higher number of functional units in the retail stream

So yeah, by the numbers 360 is ahead of the ps3, but by logic it's solid third, and even the one point it's ahead in won't be the case for much longer, enjoy it while it lasts.

But hey, let me predict your argument in a few months time 'ahead in the US and that's the biggest market so it's still second place, doesn't matter if ps3 has sold more'

@bolded: Why would you presume that Carl would proclaim such a statement? Like he tried to explain to that other user (who was clearly just trying to argue), he's not disputing any of the facts you mention. All he's stating is that, for the immediate moment, the PS3 is in third place - at least according to VGChartz numbers - regardless of the extenuating circumstances.

Furthermore, you can also make points in Microsoft's favor as well:

1. The 360 was the successor to a very modest performing console; the PS3 was the successor to, by far, the biggest selling home console of all time.

2. The 360 was all but ignored in Japan, making its presence there practically irrelevant.

3. The 360 isn't sold in as many territories worldwide as the PS3.

Despite these circumstances, the Xbox brand was able to gain an incredible amount of marketshare and largely replace "Playstation" as the popular brand name for gaming in the U.S. and was still able to claim second place WW for the vast majority of the 7th gen... and Microsoft made much more profit than Sony this generation to boot.



ninjablade on 14 March 2013

i'm buying a ps4 nextgen but  microsoft could win nextgen, they have the us market on lock and they sell good in europe, if there system is cheaper by 100$, it will destroy ps4 sales in the states, now euro will still remain like this gen.



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ironmanDX on 14 March 2013
theshonen8899 said:

 Doesn't matter, because at the end of the day Sony is racking in more cash with more consoles than Microsoft every year.

 


Answer is yes to op. (Would have made a good addition to my troll post thread too...)

 

/thread?!?



ninjablade on 14 March 2013
archbrix said:
Tachikoma said:
Carl2291 said:
theshonen8899 said:

You don't seem to get the point. The PS3 was released a year after the 360. The means the PS3 has sold far more units per year than the Xbox 360. It's barely third in absolute sales (which means nothing), but second in sales per units by a wide margin, the only statistic that actually makes sense. If you REALLY want to use total sale, you'd need to add in the last year of PS2's sales to the PS3's sales to properly compare it to the 360, which is still larger.

There are more 360's sold worldwide than there are PS3's sold worldwide. Your "point" doesnt matter.

360 - 74,519,356
PS3 - 73,206,500

The PS3 is in 3rd place. No matter how many different excuses you use. No matter how much you try spin the numbers. The headstart doesnt matter. Aligned launches dont matter. Units per year doesnt matter. It doesnt matter if you want to add PS2 numbers to the PS3 total.

The PS3 is in 3rd place.

PS3. 3rd place.

3rd place.

Lets look at some points here :

1) 1 year headstart in sales
2) aligned launch dates sees ps3 outselling 360 consistently
3) sells more units per year
4) lower failure rate thus..
5) higher number of functional units in the retail stream

So yeah, by the numbers 360 is ahead of the ps3, but by logic it's solid third, and even the one point it's ahead in won't be the case for much longer, enjoy it while it lasts.

But hey, let me predict your argument in a few months time 'ahead in the US and that's the biggest market so it's still second place, doesn't matter if ps3 has sold more'

@bolded: Why would you presume that Carl would proclaim such a statement? Like he tried to explain to that other user (who was clearly just trying to argue), he's not disputing any of the facts you mention. All he's stating is that, for the immediate moment, the PS3 is in third place - at least according to VGChartz numbers - regardless of the extenuating circumstances.

Furthermore, you can also make points in Microsoft's favor as well:

1. The 360 was the successor to a very modest performing console; the PS3 was the successor to, by far, the biggest selling home console of all time.

2. The 360 was all but ignored in Japan, making its presence there practically irrelevant.

3. The 360 isn't sold in as many territories worldwide as the PS3.

Despite these circumstances, the Xbox brand was able to gain an incredible amount of marketshare and largely replace "Playstation" as the popular brand name for gaming in the U.S. and was still able to claim second place WW for the vast majority of the 7th gen... and Microsoft made much more profit than Sony this generation to boot.


this is true microsoft was the winner this gen, they have an extremely strong brand here in the U.S., and there raking in money from xbox live, there are in a very good position nextgenm, its gonna be war of titans between these 2.



007BondAgent on 14 March 2013
ninjablade said:

i'm buying a ps4 nextgen but  microsoft could win nextgen, they have the us market on lock and they sell good in europe, if there system is cheaper by 100$, it will destroy ps4 sales in the states, now euro will still remain like this gen.


sony has eu locked, and japan, sorry but microsoft will never win relying on just america



ironmanDX on 14 March 2013
ninjablade said:


this is true microsoft was the winner this gen, they have an extremely strong brand here in the U.S., and there raking in money from xbox live, there are in a very good position nextgenm, its gonna be war of titans between these 2.


M$ is the Titan. Sony is more like a wounded animal. Down but not out. (In a good way, calm down my children). I mean, look what happened wth the Wii?

 

"Don’t shoot the bear if you are not sure this will kill him. The wounded bear is much more dangerous and the animal becomes fearless."



ironmanDX on 14 March 2013
007BondAgent said:
ninjablade said:

i'm buying a ps4 nextgen but  microsoft could win nextgen, they have the us market on lock and they sell good in europe, if there system is cheaper by 100$, it will destroy ps4 sales in the states, now euro will still remain like this gen.


sony has eu locked, and japan, sorry but microsoft will never win relying on just america


How is EU locked? 2 gens ago you could have said they had the world locked. Japan is more Nintendo but Sony has a strong place there too.

 

Xbox has a minimal chance to get big there.