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badgenome on 11 March 2013
pokoko said:
Of course, if Pachter is right





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Adinnieken on 11 March 2013

Graphine or more than likely a combination of Graphine/Silcon will fuel the next generation of ICs, CPUs, and GPUs.



TheJimbo1234 on 11 March 2013
Soleron said:
flagstaad said:
Soleron said:
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Instead of three lifetime shrinks, I would expect one, and for it to be much later in the lifecycle than it came for PS3 or 360. If the initial prices of PS4/720 are higher than $400 the resulting negative effect on sales will be compounded. Expect the initial price to remain for two years from launch, and it to not come down to $200 for five years. 

Good information... now question would be, it is better for the companies to charge higher during launch or lower? if they go higher they can create an artificial price drop faster but that will go very bad with the stock holders, if they go lower they may create a bigger install base but at a great cost that would be hard to overcome because of the reasons mentioned. Higher or Lower?

My opinion? Delay launch another year or more. The tech they want is not viable until then.

@TheJimbo1234

I'm not going to respond to you further, you are either wrong (on ARM having any input in the process nodes a PS4/720 might use) or I've already addressed it (on Intel already having 22nm).


Pahaha, so you deny;

 

  • electonics has rapidly devalued in price in the last 10 years
  • new gpus are in fact ~80% more powerful than those from 2 years ago for the same price
  • changes in chip design can bring about far more power rather than simply shrinking the transistor
  • the nm bridge has been crossed and will be again and again
  • that I am clealry far more informed than you are.
  • that AMD bought their 28nm design from ARM (DERP!) and seeing that they supply the PS4 with its APU.....
Next time trying backing down with humility as you won't look as silly.


Soleron on 11 March 2013
TheJimbo1234 said:
Soleron said:
flagstaad said:
Soleron said:
...

Instead of three lifetime shrinks, I would expect one, and for it to be much later in the lifecycle than it came for PS3 or 360. If the initial prices of PS4/720 are higher than $400 the resulting negative effect on sales will be compounded. Expect the initial price to remain for two years from launch, and it to not come down to $200 for five years. 

Good information... now question would be, it is better for the companies to charge higher during launch or lower? if they go higher they can create an artificial price drop faster but that will go very bad with the stock holders, if they go lower they may create a bigger install base but at a great cost that would be hard to overcome because of the reasons mentioned. Higher or Lower?

My opinion? Delay launch another year or more. The tech they want is not viable until then.

@TheJimbo1234

I'm not going to respond to you further, you are either wrong (on ARM having any input in the process nodes a PS4/720 might use) or I've already addressed it (on Intel already having 22nm).

 

  • electonics has rapidly devalued in price in the last 10 years (ADDRESSED)
  • new gpus are in fact ~80% more powerful than those from 2 years ago for the same price (DISAGREE)
  • changes in chip design can bring about far more power rather than simply shrinking the transistor (DISAGREE, AND DOESN'T EVEN APPLY TO CONSOLE PRICE CUTS)
  • the nm bridge has been crossed and will be again and again (DISAGREE)
  • that I am clealry far more informed than you are. (AD HOMINEM)
  • that AMD bought their 28nm design from ARM and seeing that they supply the PS4 with its APU..... (NONSENSE)





TheJimbo1234 on 11 March 2013
Soleron said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
Soleron said:
flagstaad said:
Soleron said:
...

Instead of three lifetime shrinks, I would expect one, and for it to be much later in the lifecycle than it came for PS3 or 360. If the initial prices of PS4/720 are higher than $400 the resulting negative effect on sales will be compounded. Expect the initial price to remain for two years from launch, and it to not come down to $200 for five years. 

Good information... now question would be, it is better for the companies to charge higher during launch or lower? if they go higher they can create an artificial price drop faster but that will go very bad with the stock holders, if they go lower they may create a bigger install base but at a great cost that would be hard to overcome because of the reasons mentioned. Higher or Lower?

My opinion? Delay launch another year or more. The tech they want is not viable until then.

@TheJimbo1234

I'm not going to respond to you further, you are either wrong (on ARM having any input in the process nodes a PS4/720 might use) or I've already addressed it (on Intel already having 22nm).

 

  • electonics has rapidly devalued in price in the last 10 years (ADDRESSED)
  • new gpus are in fact ~80% more powerful than those from 2 years ago for the same price (DISAGREE)
  • changes in chip design can bring about far more power rather than simply shrinking the transistor (DISAGREE, AND DOESN'T EVEN APPLY TO CONSOLE PRICE CUTS)
  • the nm bridge has been crossed and will be again and again (DISAGREE)
  • that I am clealry far more informed than you are. (AD HOMINEM)
  • that AMD bought their 28nm design from ARM and seeing that they supply the PS4 with its APU..... (NONSENSE)



 

So, you are now warping reality and arguing with facts.
Why did you even post? You clearly are not looking for a debate because at what point would you admit to being wrong? Obviously solid facts are not good enough for you so what would it take? Oh right....nothing 'cause u is rite derp.


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Slimebeast on 11 March 2013

Similarily then, PC's and PC components also shouldn't come down in price as fast as they used to.

And I think it's a good thing since I don't want PCs to get ahead of consoles too much.