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Forums - Sales - So it's widely known as a fact that many Nintendo games have ridiculous legs. But here's the question that no one really bother to ask...why is this so?

Nintendo games are like Led Zepplin music: quality, unique, timeless. And also in limited supply. Zepplin music doesn't sound like other music from the 70's... no disco or other crap. So kids today will pick it up and like it. Nintendo games are their own identity. Running on rooftops in AC will get old, people start to get bored with pretending to play the guitar, but Nintendo's characters and games are unique and timeless. And contrary to popular belief, they don't milk them. You get one MarioKart or NSMB on your system. When you buy the system at a later date, you want that game, even if it's been out for a long time. You don't buy its sequel, because there is none. And the games are very very good and have loyal fans.

Also, as was said, 3rd party competition on Wii was weak, which helps the 1st party titles.



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BasilZero said:

I love how you quote me, the neutral guy when there were other people who made comments that should of been quoted l0l

Anyways in regards to New Super Mario Bros U since that was what my post was in regarding since all the other software on the Wii-U is lackluster imo - NSMB2 came out less than a year before this game, the fact that NSMBU came out in short time frame and still managed to do over a mil is amazing especially making it probably the first non-bundled Wii-U game to hit 1 mil physical,

1 Nintendo Land WiiU 2012 Action Nintendo 0.88 0.37 0.29 0.13 1.67
2 New Super Mario Bros. U WiiU 2012 Action Nintendo 0.70 0.29 0.47 0.11 1.58

compare that to...a game that was sold on a system that has 70+ mil units

2 PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale PS3 2012 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 0.26 0.12 0.02 0.06 0.45
3 LittleBigPlanet Karting PS3 2012 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 0.22 0.15 0.01 0.07 0.44

Gee I wonder why those games got over a million but not the ones on the PS3 :(!

 

Now if you make bundling as a argument

1 Mario Kart Wii Wii 2008 Racing Nintendo 14.45 12.21 3.62 3.21 33.49
1 Wii Sports Wii 2006 Sports Nintendo 40.39 28.38 3.77 8.54 81.07
3 Wii Sports Resort Wii 2009 Sports Nintendo 14.79 10.50 3.18 3.01 31.47
4 Wii Play Wii 2006 Misc Nintendo 13.83 9.11 2.93 2.84 28.71
5 New Super Mario Bros. Wii Wii 2009 Platform Nintendo 13.32 6.47 4.65 2.25 26.69
6 Wii Fit Wii 2007 Sports Nintendo 8.91 8.15 3.60 2.08 22.74
7 Wii Fit Plus Wii 2009 Sports Nintendo 8.81 7.93 2.53 1.86 21.12

Now I know some of these examples seem a bit weak (i.e. Wii sports games) but my main point is that people love Mario and there are two games on the list regardless of them being bundles or not - their still counted.

Show me one game (bundled or not on the PS3) that even managed to make it to 15+ mil - matterfact give me a first party title on the PS3 that managed to even do that and then get back to me on it.

Gee I wonder WHY people buy Mario games hmmm I wonder, the storylines are weak, the budgets I'm sure are less than some of the higher up "AAA" titles, and its the SAME DAMN GAME!!!.

 

 

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Damn that was hard to post like a rabid Nintendo fan lol

Come back when you aren't cherry picking the games. Try the Uncharted series, Killzone or God of War for PS3 and Halo & Gears of War for the 360. 

If Mario game followings were strong, then surely the Wii U wouldn't be where it currently is. 



I just found out that I'm a 25 year old ignorant kid. -.-

I need to buy moar gamez with gunz!



Mazty said:
BasilZero said:

I love how you quote me, the neutral guy when there were other people who made comments that should of been quoted l0l

Anyways in regards to New Super Mario Bros U since that was what my post was in regarding since all the other software on the Wii-U is lackluster imo - NSMB2 came out less than a year before this game, the fact that NSMBU came out in short time frame and still managed to do over a mil is amazing especially making it probably the first non-bundled Wii-U game to hit 1 mil physical,

1 Nintendo Land WiiU 2012 Action Nintendo 0.88 0.37 0.29 0.13 1.67
2 New Super Mario Bros. U WiiU 2012 Action Nintendo 0.70 0.29 0.47 0.11 1.58

compare that to...a game that was sold on a system that has 70+ mil units

2 PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale PS3 2012 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 0.26 0.12 0.02 0.06 0.45
3 LittleBigPlanet Karting PS3 2012 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 0.22 0.15 0.01 0.07 0.44

Gee I wonder why those games got over a million but not the ones on the PS3 :(!

 

Now if you make bundling as a argument

1 Mario Kart Wii Wii 2008 Racing Nintendo 14.45 12.21 3.62 3.21 33.49
1 Wii Sports Wii 2006 Sports Nintendo 40.39 28.38 3.77 8.54 81.07
3 Wii Sports Resort Wii 2009 Sports Nintendo 14.79 10.50 3.18 3.01 31.47
4 Wii Play Wii 2006 Misc Nintendo 13.83 9.11 2.93 2.84 28.71
5 New Super Mario Bros. Wii Wii 2009 Platform Nintendo 13.32 6.47 4.65 2.25 26.69
6 Wii Fit Wii 2007 Sports Nintendo 8.91 8.15 3.60 2.08 22.74
7 Wii Fit Plus Wii 2009 Sports Nintendo 8.81 7.93 2.53 1.86 21.12

Now I know some of these examples seem a bit weak (i.e. Wii sports games) but my main point is that people love Mario and there are two games on the list regardless of them being bundles or not - their still counted.

Show me one game (bundled or not on the PS3) that even managed to make it to 15+ mil - matterfact give me a first party title on the PS3 that managed to even do that and then get back to me on it.

Gee I wonder WHY people buy Mario games hmmm I wonder, the storylines are weak, the budgets I'm sure are less than some of the higher up "AAA" titles, and its the SAME DAMN GAME!!!.

 

 

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Damn that was hard to post like a rabid Nintendo fan lol

Come back when you aren't cherry picking the games. Try the Uncharted series, Killzone or God of War for PS3 and Halo & Gears of War for the 360. 

If Mario game followings were strong, then surely the Wii U wouldn't be where it currently is. 

Il ask you a question, would you pay 350$ (plus taxes) for a new console only for a 2d platformer? Now, try going to ask this to other people and see what their answers are. 2D mario games sell well in the longterm, but they don't sell systems. The mario games that will sell a lot of systems are mario kart and mario 3D.



Predictions for LT console sales:

PS4: 120M

XB1: 70M

WiiU: 14M

3DS: 60M

Vita: 13M

benji232 said:
Mazty said:

Come back when you aren't cherry picking the games. Try the Uncharted series, Killzone or God of War for PS3 and Halo & Gears of War for the 360. 

If Mario game followings were strong, then surely the Wii U wouldn't be where it currently is. 

Il ask you a question, would you pay 350$ (plus taxes) for a new console only for a 2d platformer? Now, try going to ask this to other people and see what their answers are. 2D mario games sell well in the longterm, but they don't sell systems. The mario games that will sell a lot of systems are mario kart and mario 3D.

I wouldn't pay $50 for the Wii U but that's my view. 

The issue here is that quite clearly the issue is a lot more complex than "franchises = win" as the person I quoted was trying to state. 



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benji232 said:
Mazty said:
BasilZero said:

I love how you quote me, the neutral guy when there were other people who made comments that should of been quoted l0l

Anyways in regards to New Super Mario Bros U since that was what my post was in regarding since all the other software on the Wii-U is lackluster imo - NSMB2 came out less than a year before this game, the fact that NSMBU came out in short time frame and still managed to do over a mil is amazing especially making it probably the first non-bundled Wii-U game to hit 1 mil physical,

1 Nintendo Land WiiU 2012 Action Nintendo 0.88 0.37 0.29 0.13 1.67
2 New Super Mario Bros. U WiiU 2012 Action Nintendo 0.70 0.29 0.47 0.11 1.58

compare that to...a game that was sold on a system that has 70+ mil units

2 PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale PS3 2012 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 0.26 0.12 0.02 0.06 0.45
3 LittleBigPlanet Karting PS3 2012 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 0.22 0.15 0.01 0.07 0.44

Gee I wonder why those games got over a million but not the ones on the PS3 :(!

 

Now if you make bundling as a argument

1 Mario Kart Wii Wii 2008 Racing Nintendo 14.45 12.21 3.62 3.21 33.49
1 Wii Sports Wii 2006 Sports Nintendo 40.39 28.38 3.77 8.54 81.07
3 Wii Sports Resort Wii 2009 Sports Nintendo 14.79 10.50 3.18 3.01 31.47
4 Wii Play Wii 2006 Misc Nintendo 13.83 9.11 2.93 2.84 28.71
5 New Super Mario Bros. Wii Wii 2009 Platform Nintendo 13.32 6.47 4.65 2.25 26.69
6 Wii Fit Wii 2007 Sports Nintendo 8.91 8.15 3.60 2.08 22.74
7 Wii Fit Plus Wii 2009 Sports Nintendo 8.81 7.93 2.53 1.86 21.12

Now I know some of these examples seem a bit weak (i.e. Wii sports games) but my main point is that people love Mario and there are two games on the list regardless of them being bundles or not - their still counted.

Show me one game (bundled or not on the PS3) that even managed to make it to 15+ mil - matterfact give me a first party title on the PS3 that managed to even do that and then get back to me on it.

Gee I wonder WHY people buy Mario games hmmm I wonder, the storylines are weak, the budgets I'm sure are less than some of the higher up "AAA" titles, and its the SAME DAMN GAME!!!.

 

 

----

Damn that was hard to post like a rabid Nintendo fan lol

Come back when you aren't cherry picking the games. Try the Uncharted series, Killzone or God of War for PS3 and Halo & Gears of War for the 360. 

If Mario game followings were strong, then surely the Wii U wouldn't be where it currently is. 

Il ask you a question, would you pay 350$ (plus taxes) for a new console only for a 2d platformer? Now, try going to ask this to other people and see what their answers are. 2D mario games sell well in the longterm, but they don't sell systems. The mario games that will sell a lot of systems are mario kart and mario 3D.


Where do people get this notion? There is no evidence for this yet I see it all the time now after the Wii U launched. When NSMB arrived on the Wii, it was hailed as a massive system seller, now that the Wii U isn't doing so well the series has never been a system seller, queer logic. Software is not the main problem the Wii U faces, NSMB is still a system selling franchise but the Wii U lacks basic appeal.

PS: People paid 599$ for a PS3 many years ago to play Lair... the launch line-up was truly pitiful. The 360 had Perfect Dark Zero, not a very good game and neither of them are anything even remotely similar to NSMB in size and importance, yet the consoles sold because they had basic appeal and in spite of their launch line-up rather than because of it.



The games obviously have better legs because they have good quality, easyness to pick up and play and wide age range appeal.

Anyone else trying to spin that around to say the fanbase is dumb is delusional.



Troll_Whisperer said:
IPs that are more popular among a more casual, less informed audience have better legs (e.g.: Gran Turismo).

Most Nintendo's IPs are like these, with some exceptions like Zelda, that have more core followers that know when the game is releasing, want to play it asap, etc.


No offense, but you people REALLY need to quit talking in "casual" and "core" terminology. Those terms were fucking annoying when they first started being used, and they're still fucking annoying now.

 

How about this? Most big Nintendo franchises "have legs" because they happen to be GOOD games? Or is that not a good enough answer in today's "overanalyse everything" world? lol



Nostalgia, nostalgia, and nostalgia.



BasilZero said:
Mazty said:
BasilZero said:

I love how you quote me, the neutral guy when there were other people who made comments that should of been quoted l0l

Anyways in regards to New Super Mario Bros U since that was what my post was in regarding since all the other software on the Wii-U is lackluster imo - NSMB2 came out less than a year before this game, the fact that NSMBU came out in short time frame and still managed to do over a mil is amazing especially making it probably the first non-bundled Wii-U game to hit 1 mil physical,

1 Nintendo Land WiiU 2012 Action Nintendo 0.88 0.37 0.29 0.13 1.67
2 New Super Mario Bros. U WiiU 2012 Action Nintendo 0.70 0.29 0.47 0.11 1.58

compare that to...a game that was sold on a system that has 70+ mil units

2 PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale PS3 2012 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 0.26 0.12 0.02 0.06 0.45
3 LittleBigPlanet Karting PS3 2012 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 0.22 0.15 0.01 0.07 0.44

Gee I wonder why those games got over a million but not the ones on the PS3 :(!

 

Now if you make bundling as a argument

1 Mario Kart Wii Wii 2008 Racing Nintendo 14.45 12.21 3.62 3.21 33.49
1 Wii Sports Wii 2006 Sports Nintendo 40.39 28.38 3.77 8.54 81.07
3 Wii Sports Resort Wii 2009 Sports Nintendo 14.79 10.50 3.18 3.01 31.47
4 Wii Play Wii 2006 Misc Nintendo 13.83 9.11 2.93 2.84 28.71
5 New Super Mario Bros. Wii Wii 2009 Platform Nintendo 13.32 6.47 4.65 2.25 26.69
6 Wii Fit Wii 2007 Sports Nintendo 8.91 8.15 3.60 2.08 22.74
7 Wii Fit Plus Wii 2009 Sports Nintendo 8.81 7.93 2.53 1.86 21.12

Now I know some of these examples seem a bit weak (i.e. Wii sports games) but my main point is that people love Mario and there are two games on the list regardless of them being bundles or not - their still counted.

Show me one game (bundled or not on the PS3) that even managed to make it to 15+ mil - matterfact give me a first party title on the PS3 that managed to even do that and then get back to me on it.

Gee I wonder WHY people buy Mario games hmmm I wonder, the storylines are weak, the budgets I'm sure are less than some of the higher up "AAA" titles, and its the SAME DAMN GAME!!!.

 

 

----

Damn that was hard to post like a rabid Nintendo fan lol

Come back when you aren't cherry picking the games. Try the Uncharted series, Killzone or God of War for PS3 and Halo & Gears of War for the 360. 

If Mario game followings were strong, then surely the Wii U wouldn't be where it currently is. 


I gave you the reason why Nintendo games sold. Mario = sales

None of the games you mention even sold as much as the games I mentioned.

Look at the WiiU numbers and look at Nsmbu numbers. 

Bleeh can't quote or type well. Check below post.


Mario sells so well that Forbes have said that the Wii U may result in Nintendo going software only.

Yeah because the Halo series didn't sell well at all.

I'll carry on this conversation if you want to look at the actual facts at hand rather then cherry pick data which is nothing more than a fallacial argument.