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Lawlight said:
Mazty said:
Bro chill out. A gaming PC from 06 will be able to out perform the 360 and PS3 if you consider neither one of those really plays games like CoD at 720p. When you actually make a gaming PC output the same visuals as a console, your framerates rocket. The fact is nowadays the average GPU is miles ahead of anything in the consoles, same with the CPU's. Due to temperature constraints, you aren't going to get the same raw horse power in a console as you can on a card. For example, the GTX Titan is over x2 the power of the PS4 on one freakin' chip. 

Don't get me wrong, the PS4 looks to be a truly amazing console and by the far the technically most forward thinking one to date, but spend a lil more cash and you will get a power house of a PC. Whether it's "better" or not is debatable. Personally the no-boot-up on the PS4 is a massive plus to me, yet Planetside 2 is such a beast of a game I'd hate to leave it behind. 

I think that on release the PS4 will be the best value gaming machine out there, but lets not forget a PC does pretty much everything - it's not limited to films and games. But after say 2 years, a PC will once again be more powerful. What people should be praising though is that hopefully we'll see a massive leap in graphics and gameplay as processing power on the PS4 is so high it should translate to the top-range PC hardware really well. 

 

Nopes but Killzone 2/3 or Halo are played at 720p. An average card from 2006 can't play the demanding games that came out this year or the last. The other guy's X1900, for example. No way it can run BF3 or Crysis 3. So, a card doesn't last you a gen.

PC has pretty much everything except when it comes to the exclusives that Sony releases and that's its major drawback.

The x1900 GT is stronger than the 6450.  A card lasted me a gen, so you can cover your ears if you want, but my friend this IS how the world works.

 Look, I am not gonna get mad because I used to be like you.  I assumed PC's were always overpriced because all of DELL's and HP's were.  But then I got into computers and found out I was wrong.  

The fact is PC parts have gotten rediculously more affordable in the past 3 years.  They are in the same price/performance range as consoles now and that is reality.  However I do want to say that I am not saying you have to have a PC or you are stupid if you don't.  But people who have chosen PC's, are not stupid or bad with money.  They have simply chosen a different path that is a slightly less user friendly, but far more open and full of posibilities.  

I serously hope a few people at least get that is the point of this post, and accept it.

 

Also thank you Mazty!



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Captain_Tom said:
Lawlight said:
Mazty said:
Bro chill out. A gaming PC from 06 will be able to out perform the 360 and PS3 if you consider neither one of those really plays games like CoD at 720p. When you actually make a gaming PC output the same visuals as a console, your framerates rocket. The fact is nowadays the average GPU is miles ahead of anything in the consoles, same with the CPU's. Due to temperature constraints, you aren't going to get the same raw horse power in a console as you can on a card. For example, the GTX Titan is over x2 the power of the PS4 on one freakin' chip. 

Don't get me wrong, the PS4 looks to be a truly amazing console and by the far the technically most forward thinking one to date, but spend a lil more cash and you will get a power house of a PC. Whether it's "better" or not is debatable. Personally the no-boot-up on the PS4 is a massive plus to me, yet Planetside 2 is such a beast of a game I'd hate to leave it behind. 

I think that on release the PS4 will be the best value gaming machine out there, but lets not forget a PC does pretty much everything - it's not limited to films and games. But after say 2 years, a PC will once again be more powerful. What people should be praising though is that hopefully we'll see a massive leap in graphics and gameplay as processing power on the PS4 is so high it should translate to the top-range PC hardware really well. 

 

Nopes but Killzone 2/3 or Halo are played at 720p. An average card from 2006 can't play the demanding games that came out this year or the last. The other guy's X1900, for example. No way it can run BF3 or Crysis 3. So, a card doesn't last you a gen.

PC has pretty much everything except when it comes to the exclusives that Sony releases and that's its major drawback.

The x1900 GT is stronger than the 6450.  A card lasted me a gen, so you can cover your ears if you want, but my friend this IS how the world works.

 Look, I am not gonna get mad because I used to be like you.  I assumed PC's were always overpriced because all of DELL's and HP's were.  But then I got into computers and found out I was wrong.  

The fact is PC parts have gotten rediculously more affordable in the past 3 years.  They are in the same price/performance range as consoles now and that is reality.  However I do want to say that I am not saying you have to have a PC or you are stupid if you don't.  But people who have chosen PC's, are not stupid or bad with money.  They have simply chosen a different path that is a slightly less user friendly, but far more open and full of posibilities.  

I serously hope a few people at least get that is the point of this post, and accept it.

 

Also thank you Mazty!


The x1900 GT lasted you a whole gen? Here's how it plays 2008 games (GTA4 & NFS:Undercover):

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HymqetMHs-c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8OozkA65Lc



Lawlight said:
Mazty said:
Bro chill out. A gaming PC from 06 will be able to out perform the 360 and PS3 if you consider neither one of those really plays games like CoD at 720p. When you actually make a gaming PC output the same visuals as a console, your framerates rocket. The fact is nowadays the average GPU is miles ahead of anything in the consoles, same with the CPU's. Due to temperature constraints, you aren't going to get the same raw horse power in a console as you can on a card. For example, the GTX Titan is over x2 the power of the PS4 on one freakin' chip. 

Don't get me wrong, the PS4 looks to be a truly amazing console and by the far the technically most forward thinking one to date, but spend a lil more cash and you will get a power house of a PC. Whether it's "better" or not is debatable. Personally the no-boot-up on the PS4 is a massive plus to me, yet Planetside 2 is such a beast of a game I'd hate to leave it behind. 

I think that on release the PS4 will be the best value gaming machine out there, but lets not forget a PC does pretty much everything - it's not limited to films and games. But after say 2 years, a PC will once again be more powerful. What people should be praising though is that hopefully we'll see a massive leap in graphics and gameplay as processing power on the PS4 is so high it should translate to the top-range PC hardware really well. 

 

Nopes but Killzone 2/3 or Halo are played at 720p. An average card from 2006 can't play the demanding games that came out this year or the last. The other guy's X1900, for example. No way it can run BF3 or Crysis 3. So, a card doesn't last you a gen.

PC has pretty much everything except when it comes to the exclusives that Sony releases and that's its major drawback.

720p is still a pitiful resolution considering the base-minimum on PC is 1650x1050.

Actually the 8800GTX could hammer the crap out of the PS3 and 360. Then obviously a year later the 8800GT was released and that could still hammer the crap out of both the 360 and PS3. 

You are forgetting that BF3 and Crysis 3 on the PS3 and 360 are running at low resolutions on medium at best. A card can last you a gen as they have a power advantage, as in literally a power advantage. You can chuck 300W at a PC GPU without sweating, 500W system load no problem. You can't do that with a console due to heat contraints. 

PC has exclusives though to make yo for it...Ever heard of World of Warcraft? Starcraft? Planetside 2? The power of exclusives now is more a matter of taste than anything else.



Lawlight said:
Captain_Tom said:
Lawlight said:
Mazty said:
Bro chill out. A gaming PC from 06 will be able to out perform the 360 and PS3 if you consider neither one of those really plays games like CoD at 720p. When you actually make a gaming PC output the same visuals as a console, your framerates rocket. The fact is nowadays the average GPU is miles ahead of anything in the consoles, same with the CPU's. Due to temperature constraints, you aren't going to get the same raw horse power in a console as you can on a card. For example, the GTX Titan is over x2 the power of the PS4 on one freakin' chip. 

Don't get me wrong, the PS4 looks to be a truly amazing console and by the far the technically most forward thinking one to date, but spend a lil more cash and you will get a power house of a PC. Whether it's "better" or not is debatable. Personally the no-boot-up on the PS4 is a massive plus to me, yet Planetside 2 is such a beast of a game I'd hate to leave it behind. 

I think that on release the PS4 will be the best value gaming machine out there, but lets not forget a PC does pretty much everything - it's not limited to films and games. But after say 2 years, a PC will once again be more powerful. What people should be praising though is that hopefully we'll see a massive leap in graphics and gameplay as processing power on the PS4 is so high it should translate to the top-range PC hardware really well. 

 

Nopes but Killzone 2/3 or Halo are played at 720p. An average card from 2006 can't play the demanding games that came out this year or the last. The other guy's X1900, for example. No way it can run BF3 or Crysis 3. So, a card doesn't last you a gen.

PC has pretty much everything except when it comes to the exclusives that Sony releases and that's its major drawback.

The x1900 GT is stronger than the 6450.  A card lasted me a gen, so you can cover your ears if you want, but my friend this IS how the world works.

 Look, I am not gonna get mad because I used to be like you.  I assumed PC's were always overpriced because all of DELL's and HP's were.  But then I got into computers and found out I was wrong.  

The fact is PC parts have gotten rediculously more affordable in the past 3 years.  They are in the same price/performance range as consoles now and that is reality.  However I do want to say that I am not saying you have to have a PC or you are stupid if you don't.  But people who have chosen PC's, are not stupid or bad with money.  They have simply chosen a different path that is a slightly less user friendly, but far more open and full of posibilities.  

I serously hope a few people at least get that is the point of this post, and accept it.

 

Also thank you Mazty!


The x1900 GT lasted you a whole gen? Here's how it plays 2008 games (GTA4 & NFS:Undercover):

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HymqetMHs-c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8OozkA65Lc

Dude GTA4 was one of the worst ports ever made for the PC...I'm running a GTX 560 Ti with a AMD 940 @ 3.2Ghz and I'm sure as hell not getting decent frame rates yet I can max out pretty much anything else with no issues. Using GTA4T is a wholly unfair comparison. Plus the operton CPU? Eh? That's just a bad choice in CPU right there...



Lawlight said:
Captain_Tom said:
Lawlight said:
Mazty said:
Bro chill out. A gaming PC from 06 will be able to out perform the 360 and PS3 if you consider neither one of those really plays games like CoD at 720p. When you actually make a gaming PC output the same visuals as a console, your framerates rocket. The fact is nowadays the average GPU is miles ahead of anything in the consoles, same with the CPU's. Due to temperature constraints, you aren't going to get the same raw horse power in a console as you can on a card. For example, the GTX Titan is over x2 the power of the PS4 on one freakin' chip. 

Don't get me wrong, the PS4 looks to be a truly amazing console and by the far the technically most forward thinking one to date, but spend a lil more cash and you will get a power house of a PC. Whether it's "better" or not is debatable. Personally the no-boot-up on the PS4 is a massive plus to me, yet Planetside 2 is such a beast of a game I'd hate to leave it behind. 

I think that on release the PS4 will be the best value gaming machine out there, but lets not forget a PC does pretty much everything - it's not limited to films and games. But after say 2 years, a PC will once again be more powerful. What people should be praising though is that hopefully we'll see a massive leap in graphics and gameplay as processing power on the PS4 is so high it should translate to the top-range PC hardware really well. 

 

Nopes but Killzone 2/3 or Halo are played at 720p. An average card from 2006 can't play the demanding games that came out this year or the last. The other guy's X1900, for example. No way it can run BF3 or Crysis 3. So, a card doesn't last you a gen.

PC has pretty much everything except when it comes to the exclusives that Sony releases and that's its major drawback.

The x1900 GT is stronger than the 6450.  A card lasted me a gen, so you can cover your ears if you want, but my friend this IS how the world works.

 Look, I am not gonna get mad because I used to be like you.  I assumed PC's were always overpriced because all of DELL's and HP's were.  But then I got into computers and found out I was wrong.  

The fact is PC parts have gotten rediculously more affordable in the past 3 years.  They are in the same price/performance range as consoles now and that is reality.  However I do want to say that I am not saying you have to have a PC or you are stupid if you don't.  But people who have chosen PC's, are not stupid or bad with money.  They have simply chosen a different path that is a slightly less user friendly, but far more open and full of posibilities.  

I serously hope a few people at least get that is the point of this post, and accept it.

 

Also thank you Mazty!


The x1900 GT lasted you a whole gen? Here's how it plays 2008 games (GTA4 & NFS:Undercover):

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HymqetMHs-c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8OozkA65Lc

-Fraps lowers your framerate when it is recording.

-He is playing at a higher resolution than consoles. 

-GTA IV is terribly CPU optimized for PC.  

-That guy had a single core CPU.  I had a dual core and it ran fine.

-That guy had painfully slow ram.   I didn't.

Honestly this is getting pathetic.  You are only making yourself look dumber with every post.



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Mazty said:
Lawlight said:
Mazty said:
Bro chill out. A gaming PC from 06 will be able to out perform the 360 and PS3 if you consider neither one of those really plays games like CoD at 720p. When you actually make a gaming PC output the same visuals as a console, your framerates rocket. The fact is nowadays the average GPU is miles ahead of anything in the consoles, same with the CPU's. Due to temperature constraints, you aren't going to get the same raw horse power in a console as you can on a card. For example, the GTX Titan is over x2 the power of the PS4 on one freakin' chip. 

Don't get me wrong, the PS4 looks to be a truly amazing console and by the far the technically most forward thinking one to date, but spend a lil more cash and you will get a power house of a PC. Whether it's "better" or not is debatable. Personally the no-boot-up on the PS4 is a massive plus to me, yet Planetside 2 is such a beast of a game I'd hate to leave it behind. 

I think that on release the PS4 will be the best value gaming machine out there, but lets not forget a PC does pretty much everything - it's not limited to films and games. But after say 2 years, a PC will once again be more powerful. What people should be praising though is that hopefully we'll see a massive leap in graphics and gameplay as processing power on the PS4 is so high it should translate to the top-range PC hardware really well. 

 

Nopes but Killzone 2/3 or Halo are played at 720p. An average card from 2006 can't play the demanding games that came out this year or the last. The other guy's X1900, for example. No way it can run BF3 or Crysis 3. So, a card doesn't last you a gen.

PC has pretty much everything except when it comes to the exclusives that Sony releases and that's its major drawback.

720p is still a pitiful resolution considering the base-minimum on PC is 1650x1050.

Actually the 8800GTX could hammer the crap out of the PS3 and 360. Then obviously a year later the 8800GT was released and that could still hammer the crap out of both the 360 and PS3. 

You are forgetting that BF3 and Crysis 3 on the PS3 and 360 are running at low resolutions on medium at best. A card can last you a gen as they have a power advantage, as in literally a power advantage. You can chuck 300W at a PC GPU without sweating, 500W system load no problem. You can't do that with a console due to heat contraints. 

PC has exclusives though to make yo for it...Ever heard of World of Warcraft? Starcraft? Planetside 2? The power of exclusives now is more a matter of taste than anything else.


No doubt a $600+ graphics card can last you a gen (even though graphics will degrade as the years go by while console graphics get better over the same span of time).



Lawlight said:
Mazty said:

720p is still a pitiful resolution considering the base-minimum on PC is 1650x1050.

Actually the 8800GTX could hammer the crap out of the PS3 and 360. Then obviously a year later the 8800GT was released and that could still hammer the crap out of both the 360 and PS3. 

You are forgetting that BF3 and Crysis 3 on the PS3 and 360 are running at low resolutions on medium at best. A card can last you a gen as they have a power advantage, as in literally a power advantage. You can chuck 300W at a PC GPU without sweating, 500W system load no problem. You can't do that with a console due to heat contraints. 

PC has exclusives though to make yo for it...Ever heard of World of Warcraft? Starcraft? Planetside 2? The power of exclusives now is more a matter of taste than anything else.


No doubt a $600+ graphics card can last you a gen (even though graphics will degrade as the years go by while console graphics get better over the same span of time).


Well where do you draw the line? PC cards have become more $ efficient as time has gone on, so by the time the PS4 is released, a gaming PC that will surpass it will probably only be a little bit more expensive. It's just the nature of the market. As I said, only a year after the PS3 game out, the 8800GT was released, which is still a viable gaming card and surpasses the consoles. 



Mazty said:
Lawlight said:
Mazty said:
Bro chill out. A gaming PC from 06 will be able to out perform the 360 and PS3 if you consider neither one of those really plays games like CoD at 720p. When you actually make a gaming PC output the same visuals as a console, your framerates rocket. The fact is nowadays the average GPU is miles ahead of anything in the consoles, same with the CPU's. Due to temperature constraints, you aren't going to get the same raw horse power in a console as you can on a card. For example, the GTX Titan is over x2 the power of the PS4 on one freakin' chip. 

Don't get me wrong, the PS4 looks to be a truly amazing console and by the far the technically most forward thinking one to date, but spend a lil more cash and you will get a power house of a PC. Whether it's "better" or not is debatable. Personally the no-boot-up on the PS4 is a massive plus to me, yet Planetside 2 is such a beast of a game I'd hate to leave it behind. 

I think that on release the PS4 will be the best value gaming machine out there, but lets not forget a PC does pretty much everything - it's not limited to films and games. But after say 2 years, a PC will once again be more powerful. What people should be praising though is that hopefully we'll see a massive leap in graphics and gameplay as processing power on the PS4 is so high it should translate to the top-range PC hardware really well. 

 

Nopes but Killzone 2/3 or Halo are played at 720p. An average card from 2006 can't play the demanding games that came out this year or the last. The other guy's X1900, for example. No way it can run BF3 or Crysis 3. So, a card doesn't last you a gen.

PC has pretty much everything except when it comes to the exclusives that Sony releases and that's its major drawback.

720p is still a pitiful resolution considering the base-minimum on PC is 1650x1050.

Actually the 8800GTX could hammer the crap out of the PS3 and 360. Then obviously a year later the 8800GT was released and that could still hammer the crap out of both the 360 and PS3. 

You are forgetting that BF3 and Crysis 3 on the PS3 and 360 are running at low resolutions on medium at best. A card can last you a gen as they have a power advantage, as in literally a power advantage. You can chuck 300W at a PC GPU without sweating, 500W system load no problem. You can't do that with a console due to heat contraints. 

PC has exclusives though to make yo for it...Ever heard of World of Warcraft? Starcraft? Planetside 2? The power of exclusives now is more a matter of taste than anything else.


Also he is forgeting that they can't even play with more than 24 players on console in BF3 whereas you can play with 128 players on PC.

 

Also more exclusives:  Minecraft (Don't mention that joke on the 360), Chivalry (64 Player medievil Battlefield),  Half Life, Spore, The Sims, Sims City, Arma, Team Fortress 2, Age of Empires...





No doubt a $600+ graphics card can last you a gen (even though graphics will degrade as the years go by while console graphics get better over the same span of time).

 

The card we are talking about was $200 at purchase in 2006 and plays games better than the PS3.  The total cost of the PC after OS was ~$600.  So the same price as the PS3 at launch.   

 

This is getting painful to watch.  I just can't understand why some of you HAVE to believe that PC's are overpriced.  Why?    Because you don't have one? I like the PS3 far more than the 360, but I wouldn't necessarily call the 360 overpriced.



Captain_Tom said:
Lawlight said:
Captain_Tom said:
Lawlight said:
Mazty said:
Bro chill out. A gaming PC from 06 will be able to out perform the 360 and PS3 if you consider neither one of those really plays games like CoD at 720p. When you actually make a gaming PC output the same visuals as a console, your framerates rocket. The fact is nowadays the average GPU is miles ahead of anything in the consoles, same with the CPU's. Due to temperature constraints, you aren't going to get the same raw horse power in a console as you can on a card. For example, the GTX Titan is over x2 the power of the PS4 on one freakin' chip. 

Don't get me wrong, the PS4 looks to be a truly amazing console and by the far the technically most forward thinking one to date, but spend a lil more cash and you will get a power house of a PC. Whether it's "better" or not is debatable. Personally the no-boot-up on the PS4 is a massive plus to me, yet Planetside 2 is such a beast of a game I'd hate to leave it behind. 

I think that on release the PS4 will be the best value gaming machine out there, but lets not forget a PC does pretty much everything - it's not limited to films and games. But after say 2 years, a PC will once again be more powerful. What people should be praising though is that hopefully we'll see a massive leap in graphics and gameplay as processing power on the PS4 is so high it should translate to the top-range PC hardware really well. 

 

Nopes but Killzone 2/3 or Halo are played at 720p. An average card from 2006 can't play the demanding games that came out this year or the last. The other guy's X1900, for example. No way it can run BF3 or Crysis 3. So, a card doesn't last you a gen.

PC has pretty much everything except when it comes to the exclusives that Sony releases and that's its major drawback.

The x1900 GT is stronger than the 6450.  A card lasted me a gen, so you can cover your ears if you want, but my friend this IS how the world works.

 Look, I am not gonna get mad because I used to be like you.  I assumed PC's were always overpriced because all of DELL's and HP's were.  But then I got into computers and found out I was wrong.  

The fact is PC parts have gotten rediculously more affordable in the past 3 years.  They are in the same price/performance range as consoles now and that is reality.  However I do want to say that I am not saying you have to have a PC or you are stupid if you don't.  But people who have chosen PC's, are not stupid or bad with money.  They have simply chosen a different path that is a slightly less user friendly, but far more open and full of posibilities.  

I serously hope a few people at least get that is the point of this post, and accept it.

 

Also thank you Mazty!


The x1900 GT lasted you a whole gen? Here's how it plays 2008 games (GTA4 & NFS:Undercover):

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HymqetMHs-c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8OozkA65Lc

-Fraps lowers your framerate when it is recording.

-He is playing at a higher resolution than consoles. 

-GTA IV is terribly CPU optimized for PC.  

-That guy had a single core CPU.  I had a dual core and it ran fine.

-That guy had painfully slow ram.   I didn't.

Honestly this is getting pathetic.  You are only making yourself look dumber with every post.

 

- By how much (because the game is clearly are running at 15)? The NFS:U is getting 18fps at 1024x768.

- The GTA4 one, yes, not the NFS:U one. They also look much worse than the console versions.

- Which guy has a single core? These are 2 guys here.

- And I heard RAM had no effect on framerate - at least that's what I've been told following the 8GB for the PS4 announcement.

And those are just 2008 games. Now imagine 2013 or 2014 games.