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Captain_Tom on 08 March 2013

 

- By how much (because the game is clearly are running at 15)? The NFS:U is getting 18fps at 1024x768.

- The GTA4 one, yes, not the NFS:U one. They also look much worse than the console versions.

- Which guy has a single core? These are 2 guys here.

- And I heard RAM had no effect on framerate - at least that's what I've been told following the 8GB for the PS4 announcement.

And those are just 2008 games. Now imagine 2013 or 2014 games.

 

-By how much?   FRAPS cuts framerate in half, and my cpu had double the cores at a faster speed.   I got 30-40 FPS usually.

-Sure it does...

-RAM has no effect on Framerate!  LMAO!  Well then CPU's don't either!

-That is 2 games from 2008.  Look at any BF3 video and bam 64 players!  BF4 might have less than 24!  Also 2013 and 2014 is when new consoles come out so thank you for proving my point.



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Lawlight on 08 March 2013
Captain_Tom said:
Mazty said:
Lawlight said:
Mazty said:
Bro chill out. A gaming PC from 06 will be able to out perform the 360 and PS3 if you consider neither one of those really plays games like CoD at 720p. When you actually make a gaming PC output the same visuals as a console, your framerates rocket. The fact is nowadays the average GPU is miles ahead of anything in the consoles, same with the CPU's. Due to temperature constraints, you aren't going to get the same raw horse power in a console as you can on a card. For example, the GTX Titan is over x2 the power of the PS4 on one freakin' chip. 

Don't get me wrong, the PS4 looks to be a truly amazing console and by the far the technically most forward thinking one to date, but spend a lil more cash and you will get a power house of a PC. Whether it's "better" or not is debatable. Personally the no-boot-up on the PS4 is a massive plus to me, yet Planetside 2 is such a beast of a game I'd hate to leave it behind. 

I think that on release the PS4 will be the best value gaming machine out there, but lets not forget a PC does pretty much everything - it's not limited to films and games. But after say 2 years, a PC will once again be more powerful. What people should be praising though is that hopefully we'll see a massive leap in graphics and gameplay as processing power on the PS4 is so high it should translate to the top-range PC hardware really well. 

 

Nopes but Killzone 2/3 or Halo are played at 720p. An average card from 2006 can't play the demanding games that came out this year or the last. The other guy's X1900, for example. No way it can run BF3 or Crysis 3. So, a card doesn't last you a gen.

PC has pretty much everything except when it comes to the exclusives that Sony releases and that's its major drawback.

720p is still a pitiful resolution considering the base-minimum on PC is 1650x1050.

Actually the 8800GTX could hammer the crap out of the PS3 and 360. Then obviously a year later the 8800GT was released and that could still hammer the crap out of both the 360 and PS3. 

You are forgetting that BF3 and Crysis 3 on the PS3 and 360 are running at low resolutions on medium at best. A card can last you a gen as they have a power advantage, as in literally a power advantage. You can chuck 300W at a PC GPU without sweating, 500W system load no problem. You can't do that with a console due to heat contraints. 

PC has exclusives though to make yo for it...Ever heard of World of Warcraft? Starcraft? Planetside 2? The power of exclusives now is more a matter of taste than anything else.


Also he is forgeting that they can't even play with more than 24 players on console in BF3 whereas you can play with 128 players on PC.

 

Also more exclusives:  Minecraft (Don't mention that joke on the 360), Chivalry (64 Player medievil Battlefield),  Half Life, Spore, The Sims, Sims City, Arma, Team Fortress 2, Age of Empires...


If I wanted player count, I'd play MAG with 256 players. Or for a more chaotic, faster pace shooter, I'd play the 60-player Resistance 2 MP - the game that came out in 2008.

Minecraft, huh? Sims? Lol, ok.



Captain_Tom on 08 March 2013
Lawlight said:
Captain_Tom said:
Mazty said:
Lawlight said:
Mazty said:
Bro chill out. A gaming PC from 06 will be able to out perform the 360 and PS3 if you consider neither one of those really plays games like CoD at 720p. When you actually make a gaming PC output the same visuals as a console, your framerates rocket. The fact is nowadays the average GPU is miles ahead of anything in the consoles, same with the CPU's. Due to temperature constraints, you aren't going to get the same raw horse power in a console as you can on a card. For example, the GTX Titan is over x2 the power of the PS4 on one freakin' chip. 

Don't get me wrong, the PS4 looks to be a truly amazing console and by the far the technically most forward thinking one to date, but spend a lil more cash and you will get a power house of a PC. Whether it's "better" or not is debatable. Personally the no-boot-up on the PS4 is a massive plus to me, yet Planetside 2 is such a beast of a game I'd hate to leave it behind. 

I think that on release the PS4 will be the best value gaming machine out there, but lets not forget a PC does pretty much everything - it's not limited to films and games. But after say 2 years, a PC will once again be more powerful. What people should be praising though is that hopefully we'll see a massive leap in graphics and gameplay as processing power on the PS4 is so high it should translate to the top-range PC hardware really well. 

 

Nopes but Killzone 2/3 or Halo are played at 720p. An average card from 2006 can't play the demanding games that came out this year or the last. The other guy's X1900, for example. No way it can run BF3 or Crysis 3. So, a card doesn't last you a gen.

PC has pretty much everything except when it comes to the exclusives that Sony releases and that's its major drawback.

720p is still a pitiful resolution considering the base-minimum on PC is 1650x1050.

Actually the 8800GTX could hammer the crap out of the PS3 and 360. Then obviously a year later the 8800GT was released and that could still hammer the crap out of both the 360 and PS3. 

You are forgetting that BF3 and Crysis 3 on the PS3 and 360 are running at low resolutions on medium at best. A card can last you a gen as they have a power advantage, as in literally a power advantage. You can chuck 300W at a PC GPU without sweating, 500W system load no problem. You can't do that with a console due to heat contraints. 

PC has exclusives though to make yo for it...Ever heard of World of Warcraft? Starcraft? Planetside 2? The power of exclusives now is more a matter of taste than anything else.


Also he is forgeting that they can't even play with more than 24 players on console in BF3 whereas you can play with 128 players on PC.

 

Also more exclusives:  Minecraft (Don't mention that joke on the 360), Chivalry (64 Player medievil Battlefield),  Half Life, Spore, The Sims, Sims City, Arma, Team Fortress 2, Age of Empires...


If I wanted player count, I'd play MAG with 256 players. Or for a more chaotic, faster pace shooter, I'd play the 60-player Resistance 2 MP - the game that came out in 2008.

Minecraft, huh? Sims? Lol, ok.

So now you are gonna stop arguing they are overpriced and say its just not your choice?  FINALLY!   That is what I have been saying this whole time!  Read the title of this thread!

 

It's official folks he is out of responses and has surrendered!

Good night everyone!



Lawlight on 08 March 2013
Captain_Tom said:

 

- By how much (because the game is clearly are running at 15)? The NFS:U is getting 18fps at 1024x768.

- The GTA4 one, yes, not the NFS:U one. They also look much worse than the console versions.

- Which guy has a single core? These are 2 guys here.

- And I heard RAM had no effect on framerate - at least that's what I've been told following the 8GB for the PS4 announcement.

And those are just 2008 games. Now imagine 2013 or 2014 games.

 

-By how much?   FRAPS cuts framerate in half, and my cpu had double the cores at a faster speed.   I got 30-40 FPS usually.

-Sure it does...

-RAM has no effect on Framerate!  LMAO!  Well then CPU's don't either!

-That is 2 games from 2008.  Look at any BF3 video and bam 64 players!  BF4 might have less than 24!  Also 2013 and 2014 is when new consoles come out so thank you for proving my point.

 

- So, that card is yielding 30-36 fps (the latter at 1024x768) and with much worse visuals than the PS3 or 360.

- Lol, in denial already?

- I guess the PS4 will be a beast if RAM matters that much.

- Yeah, that was not a card that came out at the beginning of this gen. And you're still banging on about 64 players? PS3 had 60 players in 2008 and 256 players in 2011. Dust 514 is also going to have at least 64 players.

2013 and 2014 are when new consoles are coming and that automatically deletes upcoming PS3 games from existence?



Mazty on 08 March 2013
Lawlight said:

If I wanted player count, I'd play MAG with 256 players. Or for a more chaotic, faster pace shooter, I'd play the 60-player Resistance 2 MP - the game that came out in 2008.

Minecraft, huh? Sims? Lol, ok.


MAG is a terrible, terrible game. Resistance 2 was amazing, but y'know what? Compared to BF3 it isn't the same, and Planetside 2 craps over all of them. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVxsWuFlgiE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9iJhIHWwL4

Rage all you want, the PC has some amazing exclusives. 



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Lawlight on 08 March 2013
Captain_Tom said:
Lawlight said:
Captain_Tom said:
Mazty said:
Lawlight said:
Mazty said:
Bro chill out. A gaming PC from 06 will be able to out perform the 360 and PS3 if you consider neither one of those really plays games like CoD at 720p. When you actually make a gaming PC output the same visuals as a console, your framerates rocket. The fact is nowadays the average GPU is miles ahead of anything in the consoles, same with the CPU's. Due to temperature constraints, you aren't going to get the same raw horse power in a console as you can on a card. For example, the GTX Titan is over x2 the power of the PS4 on one freakin' chip. 

Don't get me wrong, the PS4 looks to be a truly amazing console and by the far the technically most forward thinking one to date, but spend a lil more cash and you will get a power house of a PC. Whether it's "better" or not is debatable. Personally the no-boot-up on the PS4 is a massive plus to me, yet Planetside 2 is such a beast of a game I'd hate to leave it behind. 

I think that on release the PS4 will be the best value gaming machine out there, but lets not forget a PC does pretty much everything - it's not limited to films and games. But after say 2 years, a PC will once again be more powerful. What people should be praising though is that hopefully we'll see a massive leap in graphics and gameplay as processing power on the PS4 is so high it should translate to the top-range PC hardware really well. 

 

Nopes but Killzone 2/3 or Halo are played at 720p. An average card from 2006 can't play the demanding games that came out this year or the last. The other guy's X1900, for example. No way it can run BF3 or Crysis 3. So, a card doesn't last you a gen.

PC has pretty much everything except when it comes to the exclusives that Sony releases and that's its major drawback.

720p is still a pitiful resolution considering the base-minimum on PC is 1650x1050.

Actually the 8800GTX could hammer the crap out of the PS3 and 360. Then obviously a year later the 8800GT was released and that could still hammer the crap out of both the 360 and PS3. 

You are forgetting that BF3 and Crysis 3 on the PS3 and 360 are running at low resolutions on medium at best. A card can last you a gen as they have a power advantage, as in literally a power advantage. You can chuck 300W at a PC GPU without sweating, 500W system load no problem. You can't do that with a console due to heat contraints. 

PC has exclusives though to make yo for it...Ever heard of World of Warcraft? Starcraft? Planetside 2? The power of exclusives now is more a matter of taste than anything else.


Also he is forgeting that they can't even play with more than 24 players on console in BF3 whereas you can play with 128 players on PC.

 

Also more exclusives:  Minecraft (Don't mention that joke on the 360), Chivalry (64 Player medievil Battlefield),  Half Life, Spore, The Sims, Sims City, Arma, Team Fortress 2, Age of Empires...


If I wanted player count, I'd play MAG with 256 players. Or for a more chaotic, faster pace shooter, I'd play the 60-player Resistance 2 MP - the game that came out in 2008.

Minecraft, huh? Sims? Lol, ok.

So now you are gonna stop arguing they are overpriced and say its just not your choice?  FINALLY!   That is what I have been saying this whole time!  Read the title of this thread!

 

It's official folks he is out of responses and has surrendered!

Good night everyone!


What are you talking about? That post made no sense whatsoever.

In any case, this topic has proven that pc gaming isn't really affordable since you need an expensive graphics (in addition to all the other components) in order to last a whole generation.



Pokeslob on 08 March 2013
Lawlight said:
Mazty said:
Bro chill out. A gaming PC from 06 will be able to out perform the 360 and PS3 if you consider neither one of those really plays games like CoD at 720p. When you actually make a gaming PC output the same visuals as a console, your framerates rocket. The fact is nowadays the average GPU is miles ahead of anything in the consoles, same with the CPU's. Due to temperature constraints, you aren't going to get the same raw horse power in a console as you can on a card. For example, the GTX Titan is over x2 the power of the PS4 on one freakin' chip. 

Don't get me wrong, the PS4 looks to be a truly amazing console and by the far the technically most forward thinking one to date, but spend a lil more cash and you will get a power house of a PC. Whether it's "better" or not is debatable. Personally the no-boot-up on the PS4 is a massive plus to me, yet Planetside 2 is such a beast of a game I'd hate to leave it behind. 

I think that on release the PS4 will be the best value gaming machine out there, but lets not forget a PC does pretty much everything - it's not limited to films and games. But after say 2 years, a PC will once again be more powerful. What people should be praising though is that hopefully we'll see a massive leap in graphics and gameplay as processing power on the PS4 is so high it should translate to the top-range PC hardware really well. 

 

Nopes but Killzone 2/3 or Halo are played at 720p. An average card from 2006 can't play the demanding games that came out this year or the last. The other guy's X1900, for example. No way it can run BF3 or Crysis 3. So, a card doesn't last you a gen.

PC has pretty much everything except when it comes to the exclusives that Sony releases and that's its major drawback.


not even just wha sony releasesbut esssentially EVERY eastern third party game is console only (DOA, Final Fantasy, Tekken, Ninja Gaiden, Metal Gear, etc.)

look at almost any top games of all time list and about none of them are legitatemately available via PC



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Lawlight on 08 March 2013
Mazty said:
Lawlight said:

If I wanted player count, I'd play MAG with 256 players. Or for a more chaotic, faster pace shooter, I'd play the 60-player Resistance 2 MP - the game that came out in 2008.

Minecraft, huh? Sims? Lol, ok.


MAG is a terrible, terrible game. Resistance 2 was amazing, but y'know what? Compared to BF3 it isn't the same, and Planetside 2 craps over all of them. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVxsWuFlgiE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9iJhIHWwL4

Rage all you want, the PC has some amazing exclusives. 


I'm not interested in military shooters personally but I was talking about the player count. BF3 is nothing special. As for Planetside - can't judge from the videos you posted since all I'm seeing is the guy running. On a side note, Defiance is coming to PS3 as well and it's an MMP FPS as well so thousands of players.

Rage all you want, the PS3 has amazing exclusives and more variety that the PC.



JoeTheBro on 08 March 2013

PC's are defiantly affordable. I declare myself winner of this thread by posting one that's only $25! Rasbery Pi.

 

 

It might have issues with a few of the more advanced games though.



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Mazty on 08 March 2013
Lawlight said:
Mazty said:

MAG is a terrible, terrible game. Resistance 2 was amazing, but y'know what? Compared to BF3 it isn't the same, and Planetside 2 craps over all of them. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVxsWuFlgiE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9iJhIHWwL4

Rage all you want, the PC has some amazing exclusives. 


I'm not interested in military shooters personally but I was talking about the player count. BF3 is nothing special. As for Planetside - can't judge from the videos you posted since all I'm seeing is the guy running. On a side note, Defiance is coming to PS3 as well and it's an MMP FPS as well so thousands of players.

Rage all you want, the PS3 has amazing exclusives and more variety that the PC.


That's complete bull. What's "not special" about 64 players including vehicles, the level of detail on the maps with said graphics? Right so the video about a plane rush is just a guy running around.

You simply want to whine about PC's and not actually look at what they offer as you didn't bother to watch the videos I linked. Busted.

"Thousands of players". That's not how it works....

Oh right the PS3 has more variety than the PC, which has over 2 decades of games it can play...How'd you work that one out? What's that? You have to rebuy PS2 games on the PS3? Yeah enjoy that one buddy.