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Zappykins on 03 March 2013
Tachikoma said:

Support for the original xbox went in to freefall when the 360 was launched, 2006 (first full year 360 was on sale) saw title releases on the original xbox decline significantly, 2007 saw the release of only four games worldwide, including the last ever produced for the system,these games were:

Madden NFL 08 (8/14/07)
Ratatouille (7/31/07)
NCAA Football 08 (7/17/07)
Major League Baseball 2K7 (2/27/07)

Also, people like to cite that xbox 360 only does badly in japan because 'the japanese hate the american console and love their japanese consoles', well if you look back to microsofts first attempt at a console in japan, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_games  and see how many games were left unreleased there, you can see why japanese xbox fans would avoid the next console entirely.

This generation will be no different, support for the 360 will drop off within 3-4 years entirely, and thats a generous estimate.

The only company of the three that continue to support their hardware with both software and hardware long in to the afterlife has been Sony, for example the last game released in eu/us for ps2 was pro evo 2013 (released in late 2012) and in japan, Final Fantasy XI: Seekers of Adoulin later this month, this is 6 years after the next console was actually released.

Lets look at it directly, comparing the point at which a new console is released, and the point at which the old consoles last game was released.

Nintendo 64 - Longest support after new console release : 9 months
Gamecube release JP September 15, 2001 - last N64 game 'bomberman 64' - December 20, 2001 - Support : 3 months
Gamecube release NA November 18, 2001 - last n64 game 'tony hawks pro skater 3' - August 20, 2002 - Support : 9 months
Gamecube release EU May 3, 2002 - last n64 game 'mario party 3' - November 16, 2001 - Support : -5 1/2 months (MINUS!)

Nintendo Gamecube - Longest support after new console release : 9 months
Wii release NA November 19, 2006 - last GC game 'Madden NFL 08' - August 14, 2007 - Support : 9 months
Wii release JP December 2, 2006 - last GC game 'Twilight princess' - December 2, 2006 - Support : 0 days
Wii release EU December 8, 2006 - last GC game 'Rattatouille' - August 3, 2007 - Support :8 months

Sony playstation - Longest support after new console release : 6 years 10 months
PS2 release JP March 4, 2000 - last PS1 game 'Legendary hits: Dewprism' - January 25, 2007 - Support : 6 years 10 months
PS2 release NA October 26, 2000 - last PS1 game 'Fifa football 2005' - October 12, 2004 - Support : 4 years
PS2 release EU November 24, 2000 - last PS1 game 'Schnappi 3-Fun games' - March 1, 2005 - Support : 4 years 4 months

Sony playstation 2 - Longest support after new console release : 6 years 4 months
PS3 release JP November 11, 2006 - last PS2 game 'Final Fantasy XI: Seekers of Adoulin' - March 27, 2013 - Support : 6 years 4 months
PS3 release NA November 16, 2006 - last PS2 game 'Pro evo 2013' - November 6, 2012 - Support : 6 years
PS3 release EU March 16, 2007 - last PS2 game 'Pro evo 2013' - October 26, 2012 - Support : 5 years 8 months

Microsoft Xbox - Longest support after new console release : 2 years 9 months
360 release JP December 10, 2005 - last XBOX game 'Fifa 2006 World Cup' - April 28, 2006 - Support : 4 months
360 release NA November 22, 2005 - last XBOX game 'NFL '09' - August 12, 2008 - Support : 2 years 9 months
360 release EU December 2, 2005 - last XBOX game 'Xiaolin Showdown' - June 29, 2007 - Support : 1 year6 months

It's funny that in the EU, the gamecube went 5 and a half months without a single game release before the new console to replace it was launched, but looking at the figures it clearly shows that Nintendo and its supporting 3rd parties are the worst for supporting an outdated console, followed by Microsoft, then Sony with a clear, huge lead.

And people say 'nintendo is fine without third party support', okay, right, because third party support doesn't effect the longevity of a platform at all does it *rollleyes*

Thanks for the info. on the new games in the last year does that includ all 3rd parties?

So you could sort of say they supported  both wth new games for 3 years, 2005, 2006, 2007 (but last year not well.)

I was looking at online, and saw that it's support for mulitplayer and such went to 2010.

I didn't say anything about Japan and the Xbox 360.  I really don't know why it doesn't sell as well there.  I hear people tell me the reason they think, but most of those people aren't in Japan and are giving me their opinions.  I would also think, most of the people buying the consoles now, are not the same ones that would buy buying it 10 years ago. I can say in the states, most people don't really think of the Xbox as an 'American Pride' thing.

I've had more than one person ask about my 'Nintendo Xbox.'  Many here tend to equate all video game consoles with Japan.



 

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think-man on 03 March 2013
kowenicki said:
think-man said:
radiantshadow92 said:
kowenicki said:
radiantshadow92 said:
i think you have a different definition for longevity then a lot of other people...


Why? Explain. Educate me. 


bro u already know. if ms stops supporting the 360 once the 720 comes out while sony still supports the ps3 then the ps3 has more longevity....it has nothing to do with the next gen release dates. I will admit tho, the 720 being announced so late is a surprise and the 360 has had a great and long life. I just dont see how it can outlive the ps3 tho. also, why did u leave out the xbox average in the op...

Hmm yeah thats how I understood it,  I even looked it up just to be sure :P Here's one definition: "the length or duration of life" Kowen is trying to say once a new console is release the predecessors life has come to an end which is far from the truth least thats what I think he's trying to say. Really you want to take the date the console was released to the day the console stopped being manufactured thats true longevity.

I'm not trying to say anything of the sort.  We are talking about two different things.

this is only about how long the consoles lasted before replacements.  What is so hard to understand?

the sensitivity on here to anything that doesn't reflect a certain company as the best at everything ever is ridiculous. 

Of course I understand, I mean its in black and white on you OP I was more saying to radiantshadow92 that I agreed with him on the definition of longevity. It wouldn't bother me one bit if the 360 was still on sale 10 years from now and the Ps3 wasn't.

 



 

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GameAnalyser on 03 March 2013
radiantshadow92 said:
kowenicki said:
radiantshadow92 said:
i think you have a different definition for longevity then a lot of other people...


Why? Explain. Educate me. 


bro u already know. if ms stops supporting the 360 once the 720 comes out while sony still supports the ps3 then the ps3 has more longevity....it has nothing to do with the next gen release dates. I will admit tho, the 720 being announced so late is a surprise and the 360 has had a great and long life. I just dont see how it can outlive the ps3 tho. also, why did u leave out the xbox average in the op...

The PS3 vs 360 outrun has been almost like the SNES vs Sega Genesis epic battle in their respective styles. The 360 in this case hasn't dropped the ball yet with a new successor like Sega Genesis did and it was good that HD-DVD add-on was discontinued much earlier(speaking of longevity...). But PS3(as one piece)would still continue to sell even more with a continous surge of triple A titles/exclusives as it is receiving already like SNES in those days and inturn enjoy a better longevity IMO. The 360 on the other hand has been almost dead in the Japanese market and henceforth it's not fair to use a single biggest market's hand it received to depict longevity. The idea of expressing longevity until a next gen console is launched is highly flawed.



phinch1 on 03 March 2013
Dmick90 said:
phinch1 said:
Dmick90 said:
phinch1 said:
Dmick90 said:
RolStoppable said:

The only reason why the 360 made it this far is because Microsoft piggybacked on the PS3's success.

What do you mean piggybacking PS3's success. What success? The PS3 has been tugging at the Xbox 360's coat tails for the last 7 years. They have just now caught up in sales. 

It's quite obvious he is trolling and I'm glad he winds people up who take the bait

also at bolded...360 is the slowest selling console this gen, There been no tugging at coat tails

Just like you took the bait...

The 360 has been outselling the Wii and PS3 every single year in the UNited States.

wow one country? There are 195 countries other than the USA you know? and they all belong on this place called earth....you still with me sweet cheeks or am i going to fast for you? ok ill continue ...well WORLD WIDE which is the Bigger picture, the 360 is still the slowest selling console this generation, behind the ps3 and wii

Sweet cheeks? Well the majority of sales come from the US you know and that's where it counts. If Microsoft didn't put Europe and Asia on the backburner they'd be leading there too. 360 still leads the PS3 worldwide in hardware and a huge lead in software sale. Give it up, Sony fans just can't acknowledge defeat.


Are you really that stupid? world wide is where it counts, 360= this gens slowest selling console world wide, The still leads in software sales because because of its 1.5 year head start, 360 is "barley" ahead in sales and will be overtaken before the end of the year......how about its time you give it up?



phinch1 on 03 March 2013
kowenicki said:

The 360 has defied all naysayers by lasting the longest of all consoles before the official annoucement, let alone actually launch, of its successor. This is even more impressive given that it is still relevant in sales numbers each week.  Regularly and consistently being the top selling home console in the US, the biggest single market.

We all remember that the consensus was that the 360 would be replaced after 5 years or so and support would be dropped like a stone. 

Journalists said it, forums posts insited on it and even Kaz Hirai tried to score a few points on the back of it.

 

PS1 to PS2:  5yrs 4 mths

PS2 to PS3:  6yrs 8 mths

PS3 to PS4:  7yrs  (assuming November 2013)

Average:  6yrs 4 mths

 

SNES to N64:  5yrs 7 mths

N64 to GC:  5 yrs 3 mths

GC to Wii:  5yrs 2 mths

Wii to WiiU:  6 yrs

Average:  5yrs 6 mths

 

Xbox to 360:  4 yrs 

360 to Nextbox:   7 yrs 4 mths and counting (likley to be 8 full years)

 

 

Well played MS.

I've worked it out a "little" different

Sony's average at 6 years 3 months 10 days ish

Nintendo's average at 5 years 5 months 15 days ish

Microsofts average at 6 years exact

using those three companies only the industries average is 5 years 9 months 15 days ish

So microsofts above average just about, nintendo at the bottom and sony only just out in front





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radiantshadow92 on 03 March 2013
kowenicki said:
think-man said:
radiantshadow92 said:
kowenicki said:
radiantshadow92 said:
i think you have a different definition for longevity then a lot of other people...


Why? Explain. Educate me. 


bro u already know. if ms stops supporting the 360 once the 720 comes out while sony still supports the ps3 then the ps3 has more longevity....it has nothing to do with the next gen release dates. I will admit tho, the 720 being announced so late is a surprise and the 360 has had a great and long life. I just dont see how it can outlive the ps3 tho. also, why did u leave out the xbox average in the op...

Hmm yeah thats how I understood it,  I even looked it up just to be sure :P Here's one definition: "the length or duration of life" Kowen is trying to say once a new console is release the predecessors life has come to an end which is far from the truth least thats what I think he's trying to say. Really you want to take the date the console was released to the day the console stopped being manufactured thats true longevity.

I'm not trying to say anything of the sort.  We are talking about two different things.

this is only about how long the consoles lasted before replacements.  What is so hard to understand?

the sensitivity on here to anything that doesn't reflect a certain company as the best at everything ever is ridiculous. 


yeah man some people are sooooo sensitive :p



Dmick90 on 03 March 2013
phinch1 said:
Dmick90 said:
phinch1 said:
Dmick90 said:
phinch1 said:
Dmick90 said:
RolStoppable said:



 

 

wow one country? There are 195 countries other than the USA you know? and they all belong on this place called earth....you still with me sweet cheeks or am i going to fast for you? ok ill continue ...well WORLD WIDE which is the Bigger picture, the 360 is still the slowest selling console this generation, behind the ps3 and wii

Sweet cheeks? Well the majority of sales come from the US you know and that's where it counts. If Microsoft didn't put Europe and Asia on the backburner they'd be leading there too. 360 still leads the PS3 worldwide in hardware and a huge lead in software sale. Give it up, Sony fans just can't acknowledge defeat.


Are you really that stupid? world wide is where it counts, 360= this gens slowest selling console world wide, The still leads in software sales because because of its 1.5 year head start, 360 is "barley" ahead in sales and will be overtaken before the end of the year......how about its time you give it up?

"Are you really that stupid?" Do you wanna be reported?

Xbox 360 isn't the slowest selling worldwide. It beats the Nintendo Wii and Wii U combined in worldwide sales, and it's kept up with the PS3 pretty well even through the RROD days, and PS3 price cuts. When they launched has nothing to do with it. The Xbox had a 1.5 year lead over the Wii too and it ended up selling more than both 360 and PS3. The fact is they both have sold about the same amount of hardware but yet Sony has a deficit in software sales. Stop making pathetic excuses for why the PS3 isn't winning this gen. Sony screwed up, accept it.

It won't be overtaken because when the next gen PS4 and Xbox 720 launch, sales for the Xbox 360 and PS3 will start declining bringing this gen to a close. 



3sexty on 04 March 2013

The above sais it all. These personally insulting comments are from what appears to be angry Sony fans who just cannot accept that the 360 has caught up this generation and that they have even been able to offer a viable alternative to Sony's PlayStation brand. Also the argument that the original Xbox was dropped early is pointless. That had more to do with Microsoft's dropping NVIDIA as GPU provider and simply Microsoft had plans to move on. In summary Microsoft have taken a large chunk of what used to be PlayStation territory. Why on earth would they even consider just suddenly dropping 360 support. That is not what a highly successful corporation does - yes a company that still makes billions each quarter..... Unlike Sony atm.



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SOLIDSNAKE08 on 04 March 2013
3sexty said:
The above sais it all. These personally insulting comments are from what appears to be angry Sony fans who just cannot accept that the 360 has caught up this generation and that they have even been able to offer a viable alternative to Sony's PlayStation brand. Also the argument that the original Xbox was dropped early is pointless. That had more to do with Microsoft's dropping NVIDIA as GPU provider and simply Microsoft had plans to move on. In summary Microsoft have taken a large chunk of what used to be PlayStation territory. Why on earth would they even consider just suddenly dropping 360 support. That is not what a highly successful corporation does - yes a company that still makes billions each quarter..... Unlike Sony atm.

isnt it true though that the 360 IS the slowest selling console this generation? its nobodys fault that your personally insulted by a fact.



bigCchris on 04 March 2013
Tachikoma said:
Zappykins said:
think-man said:
The real question will be weather M$ keeps supporting the 360 once the nextbox releases. Thats one thing I really loved about my Ps2 was how I was able to play new release games 2 years after the ps3 was out.

Does anyone know what happened to the players of the original Xbox?

Did most of them upgrade quickly to the X360?  Did they lead the change - in that consumers stopped supporting the console. It was a big leap in just about everything.

If 95% of the customers go to the new thing, then why bother with the old one? 

Or was Microsoft just killing it off. It is not clear to me.  From what I see, they supported the Xbox until 2010 - which was longer than the original console was sold as their lead console. (4 years.)  If that is the case, then they could support the Xbox 360 another *eight* years. (But I don't think that is likely.) It could be halfway in its lifecycle!

I have a feeling the Xbox 360 will still be around for a much longer time than the original Xbox. But just being around AS long would put it at 2018!

Also, the Dreamcast lasted a long time, even without any support. (if you include homebrew.)


Support for the original xbox went in to freefall when the 360 was launched, 2006 (first full year 360 was on sale) saw title releases on the original xbox decline significantly, 2007 saw the release of only four games worldwide, including the last ever produced for the system,these games were:

Madden NFL 08 (8/14/07)
Ratatouille (7/31/07)
NCAA Football 08 (7/17/07)
Major League Baseball 2K7 (2/27/07)

Also, people like to cite that xbox 360 only does badly in japan because 'the japanese hate the american console and love their japanese consoles', well if you look back to microsofts first attempt at a console in japan, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_games  and see how many games were left unreleased there, you can see why japanese xbox fans would avoid the next console entirely.

This generation will be no different, support for the 360 will drop off within 3-4 years entirely, and thats a generous estimate.

The only company of the three that continue to support their hardware with both software and hardware long in to the afterlife has been Sony, for example the last game released in eu/us for ps2 was pro evo 2013 (released in late 2012) and in japan, Final Fantasy XI: Seekers of Adoulin later this month, this is 6 years after the next console was actually released.

Lets look at it directly, comparing the point at which a new console is released, and the point at which the old consoles last game was released.

Nintendo 64 - Longest support after new console release : 9 months
Gamecube release JP September 15, 2001 - last N64 game 'bomberman 64' - December 20, 2001 - Support : 3 months
Gamecube release NA November 18, 2001 - last n64 game 'tony hawks pro skater 3' - August 20, 2002 - Support : 9 months
Gamecube release EU May 3, 2002 - last n64 game 'mario party 3' - November 16, 2001 - Support : -5 1/2 months (MINUS!)

Nintendo Gamecube - Longest support after new console release : 9 months
Wii release NA November 19, 2006 - last GC game 'Madden NFL 08' - August 14, 2007 - Support : 9 months
Wii release JP December 2, 2006 - last GC game 'Twilight princess' - December 2, 2006 - Support : 0 days
Wii release EU December 8, 2006 - last GC game 'Rattatouille' - August 3, 2007 - Support :8 months

Sony playstation - Longest support after new console release : 6 years 10 months
PS2 release JP March 4, 2000 - last PS1 game 'Legendary hits: Dewprism' - January 25, 2007 - Support : 6 years 10 months
PS2 release NA October 26, 2000 - last PS1 game 'Fifa football 2005' - October 12, 2004 - Support : 4 years
PS2 release EU November 24, 2000 - last PS1 game 'Schnappi 3-Fun games' - March 1, 2005 - Support : 4 years 4 months

Sony playstation 2 - Longest support after new console release : 6 years 4 months
PS3 release JP November 11, 2006 - last PS2 game 'Final Fantasy XI: Seekers of Adoulin' - March 27, 2013 - Support : 6 years 4 months
PS3 release NA November 16, 2006 - last PS2 game 'Pro evo 2013' - November 6, 2012 - Support : 6 years
PS3 release EU March 16, 2007 - last PS2 game 'Pro evo 2013' - October 26, 2012 - Support : 5 years 8 months

Microsoft Xbox - Longest support after new console release : 2 years 9 months
360 release JP December 10, 2005 - last XBOX game 'Fifa 2006 World Cup' - April 28, 2006 - Support : 4 months
360 release NA November 22, 2005 - last XBOX game 'NFL '09' - August 12, 2008 - Support : 2 years 9 months
360 release EU December 2, 2005 - last XBOX game 'Xiaolin Showdown' - June 29, 2007 - Support : 1 year6 months

It's funny that in the EU, the gamecube went 5 and a half months without a single game release before the new console to replace it was launched, but looking at the figures it clearly shows that Nintendo and its supporting 3rd parties are the worst for supporting an outdated console, followed by Microsoft, then Sony with a clear, huge lead.

And people say 'nintendo is fine without third party support', okay, right, because third part y support doesn't effect the longevity of a platform at all does it *rollleyes*

First, when it comes to tech, history isnt the best indicater of future, at least not as definitive as it appears you are trying to make it, i remember when apple was niche, when nokia owned the world, when sony tvs were making millions, the list goes on and on. Are any of those things true today, absolutly not. So i wouldnt put to much trust in those numbers. Second you bring up the point of third party support, and its importance, which i absolutly agreed with, after a certain time it will be the third parties that will pick up the slack, but let me ask you this, and correct me if i am wrong, you seem to reason it is one of reasons for the poor nintendo support after the release of a new console, i agreed, but why dont you use the same reasoning and apply it to the 360, it enjoys immense third party support, equal to all its competitors if not more, it is the opposite of nintendo, yet you "generously" give it only 3-4 years, it'll be at least 3-4 years. And finally even if we tried to use those numbers wouldnt those 3-4 years give the 360 almost the same amount support as the ps2 give or take a year, a system that has sold some 150 millions units, the 360 was release in 05, the new console should release this year, so that 8 years plus 3-4 equals 11-12 years, the ps2was released in 00 support ended 6 years 4 months after the release of the ps3 in 06, so thats around 12 years and 4 months of support, now this is a system that sold over 150 units and is still being produced to this day, the 360 will be lucky if it breaks 100 in lifetime sales, so 150 compare to 100 and by your estimates about a year to a year and half less in support, I would say one word to that.......Impressive.



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