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Miguel_Zorro said:

Look at all of this news..

- The PS3 is up year over year

- Things are looking very good for the PS4

- Vita TV

It feels like we are entering a golden age for Playstation

Also, this is post number 10,000 in this thread!

Wait PS3 is up year over year? 



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nnodley said:
DD_Bwest said:
the gaf thread is getting SO good, Mr. P made another post, but im behind and catching up. seems like its getting into an arguement with gaffers on if you can actually add the ram like that

ugh, I've stopped reading for now and I need to stop posting here so I can finish my stupid last english blog prompt.  Anyway I think by now most hardcore day one console buyers are gonna know you can't add RAM peaks together. 

yup, its just fun to see him called out on a forum.  

 

Originally Posted by Albert Penello

At Microsoft, we have a position called a "Technical Fellow" These are engineers across disciplines at Microsoft that are basically at the highest stage of technical knowledge. There are very few across the company, so it's a rare and respected position.

We are lucky to have a small handful working on Xbox.

I've spent several hours over the last few weeks with the Technical Fellow working on our graphics engines. He was also one of the guys that worked most closely with the silicon team developing the actual architecture of our machine, and knows how and why it works better than anyone.

So while I appreciate the technical acumen of folks on this board - you should know that every single thing I posted, I reviewed with him for accuracy. I wanted to make sure I was stating things factually, and accurately.

So if you're saying you can't add bandwidth - you can. If you want to dispute that ESRAM has simultaneous read/write cycles - it does.

I know this forum demands accuracy, which is why I fact checked my points with a guy who helped design the machine.

This is the same guy, by the way, that jumps on a plane when developers want more detail and hands-on review of code and how to extract the maximum performance from our box. He has heard first-hand from developers exactly how our boxes compare, which has only proven our belief that they are nearly the same in real-world situations. If he wasn't coming back smiling, I certainly wouldn't be so bullish dismissing these claims.

I'm going to take his word (we just spoke this AM, so his data is about as fresh as possible) versus statements by developers speaking anonymously, and also potentially from several months ago before we had stable drivers and development environments.



I am Torgo, I take care of the place while the master is away.

"Hes the clown that makes the dark side fun.. Torgo!"

Ha.. i won my bet, but i wasnt around to gloat because im on a better forum!  See ya guys on Viz

DD_Bwest said:

Originally Posted by Albert Penello

I see my statements the other day caused more of a stir than I had intended. I saw threads locking down as fast as they pop up, so I apologize for the delayed response.

I was hoping my comments would lead the discussion to be more about the games (and the fact that games on both systems look great) as a sign of my point about performance, but unfortunately I saw more discussion of my credibility.

So I thought I would add more detail to what I said the other day, that perhaps people can debate those individual merits instead of making personal attacks. This should hopefully dismiss the notion I'm simply creating FUD or spin.

I do want to be super clear: I'm not disparaging Sony. I'm not trying to diminish them, or their launch or what they have said. But I do need to draw comparisons since I am trying to explain that the way people are calculating the differences between the two machines isn't completely accurate. I think I've been upfront I have nothing but respect for those guys, but I'm not a fan of the mis-information about our performance.

So, here are couple of points about some of the individual parts for people to consider:

• 18 CU's vs. 12 CU's =/= 50% more performance. Multi-core processors have inherent inefficiency with more CU's, so it's simply incorrect to say 50% more GPU.
• Adding to that, each of our CU's is running 6% faster. It's not simply a 6% clock speed increase overall.
• We have more memory bandwidth. 176gb/sec is peak on paper for GDDR5. Our peak on paper is 272gb/sec. (68gb/sec DDR3 + 204gb/sec on ESRAM). ESRAM can do read/write cycles simultaneously so I see this number mis-quoted.
• We have at least 10% more CPU. Not only a faster processor, but a better audio chip also offloading CPU cycles.
• We understand GPGPU and its importance very well. Microsoft invented Direct Compute, and have been using GPGPU in a shipping product since 2010 - it's called Kinect.
• Speaking of GPGPU - we have 3X the coherent bandwidth for GPGPU at 30gb/sec which significantly improves our ability for the CPU to efficiently read data generated by the GPU.

Hopefully with some of those more specific points people will understand where we have reduced bottlenecks in the system. I'm sure this will get debated endlessly but at least you can see I'm backing up my points.

I still I believe that we get little credit for the fact that, as a SW company, the people designing our system are some of the smartest graphics engineers around – they understand how to architect and balance a system for graphics performance. Each company has their strengths, and I feel that our strength is overlooked when evaluating both boxes.

Given this continued belief of a significant gap, we're working with our most senior graphics and silicon engineers to get into more depth on this topic. They will be more credible then I am, and can talk in detail about some of the benchmarking we've done and how we balanced our system.

Thanks again for letting my participate. Hope this gives people more background on my claims.

God, they just need to shut the hell up. They act as though sony dont know their shit. And they are the only one's with co processors. I guess well just have to see. When PS4 starts winning all the head to heads. what will they say then?



Yo peeps Albert Panello alert! He is back and he is back swinging....adding bandwiths....talking to secret devs...super audio chips...fellow technical fellow meme and more!

haha man I love console launches..brings the worst in PR



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he just keeps going tonight,  he got pwnt:

 

Last post? Not even close. Sorry - still many more meme's yet to come.

As was kindly suggested by someone in a PM, it's unlikely anything more I'm going to post on this topic will make it better. People can believe me and trust I'm passing on the right information, or believe I'm spreading FUD and lies.

When I first started coming on, I said what I wanted to do was speak more directly and more honestly with the community, clarifying what we could because you guys have more detailed questions then we had been dealing with.

Regarding the power, I've tried to explain areas that are misunderstood and provide insight from the actual engineers on the system. We are working with the technical folks to get more in-depth. As I said - they are more credible then I am, and can provide a lot more detail. Best I leave it to them.

Next stop - launch itself. Only then, when the games release and developers will inevitably be asked to compare the systems, will we there be a satisfying answer.

Until then, as I have been, I'll try and answer what I can. But I'm not going to add more on this topic.



I am Torgo, I take care of the place while the master is away.

"Hes the clown that makes the dark side fun.. Torgo!"

Ha.. i won my bet, but i wasnt around to gloat because im on a better forum!  See ya guys on Viz

btw guys, the Vita TV costs 99$. im pretty sure thats sold at a profit or breaking even. so does that mean the Vita is being sold for profit (probably a rather big one too?) because the vita is now 199$ a full 100$ more than the Vita tv and it packs just a screen (that isnt HD). so is it reasonable to think that the PS vita is making a rather good profit at 199$?



bananaking21 said:
btw guys, the Vita TV costs 99$. im pretty sure thats sold at a profit or breaking even. so does that mean the Vita is being sold for profit (probably a rather big one too?) because the vita is now 199$ a full 100$ more than the Vita tv and it packs just a screen (that isnt HD). so is it reasonable to think that the PS vita is making a rather good profit at 199$?

but when is it coming to NA



I am Torgo, I take care of the place while the master is away.

"Hes the clown that makes the dark side fun.. Torgo!"

Ha.. i won my bet, but i wasnt around to gloat because im on a better forum!  See ya guys on Viz

bananaking21 said:
btw guys, the Vita TV costs 99$. im pretty sure thats sold at a profit or breaking even. so does that mean the Vita is being sold for profit (probably a rather big one too?) because the vita is now 199$ a full 100$ more than the Vita tv and it packs just a screen (that isnt HD). so is it reasonable to think that the PS vita is making a rather good profit at 199$?

I think it's reasonable to assume the vita was profiting for a while now. There's no way the components on the new vita design cost near 199 to manufacture



M.U.G.E.N said:
Yo peeps Albert Panello alert! He is back and he is back swinging....adding bandwiths....talking to secret devs...super audio chips...fellow technical fellow meme and more!

haha man I love console launches..brings the worst in PR


Sooo...In other words he's trying to make the system sound better?