Computers are always a fair price. The question is whether a console is a fair price. Protip: it is.

Considering people think the Killzone demo was pre-rendered and fake, i'm going to have to disagree. A small leap would be Wii U.

The beginning of the Killzone demo flying over the city was the only thing at the conference that blew me away. Knack didn't impress me too much personally and some of the other things that were shown weren't completely indicative of what we'll see in game.

The thing about Killzone, however, is that once the 30fps becomes apparent and the battle begins, that's where reality sets in for me. It looks good (particularly for a launch game that's not finished yet), but I steadfastly disagree with the "this is better than high-end PC" exclamations I've heard.

That said, I have little doubt that in a couple of years time, games on the PS4 such as Uncharted and God of War will be in a league of their own visually.

I was wowed by the massive cityscapes with kilometres of extensively detailed draw distance, but the rest of the time it fell short of the bar set by PC Crysis 3.

Graphics aren't really a selling point for me anyhow, the Wii was my favourite 7th gen console.

This.

I can't help but point out that the "wow factor" will depend on the price tag. I mean if the PS4 can pull that off with a 399$ or even a 449$ tag, then yeah that is what the wow factor looks like.

Your last phase is funny too because I didn't see a graphical leap in PC since Crysis in 2007... Crysis is still in some aspects more advanced tahn Crysis 3... it seems more real-life graphics at least for foliages and florests.

FACTs

- The PS4 to Wii U graphical leap is bigger than PS3 to Wii.
- The PS4 to PS3 graphical leap is bigger than PS3 to PS2.
- The PS4 is hold the graphical lead over any PC configuration below $1000 at launch... of course over $1000 PCs will show advantages over PS4.
- Killzone SF have better graphics than Crysis in 1080p running in any actal single GPU except Titan.

Any opnion not close (you can say a $900 PC or Killzone SF and Crysis sre close... well I can agree but high different from what I said not) to that I call biased.

^ Those first three aren't facts at all. Even the 4th is questionable.

And I like how you cover yourself, "lolz if yu disagree wit me u r teh biaz!"

i still ponder why people dont like graphics for graphics sake and not the system. out of all the stupid things thats a fanboy biggest downfall. they see everything on the preferred system with rose colored glasses while the graphics on the system for no other reason that its not preferred suck or the game suck yada yada. in the end play them all then you can formulate an opinion until then stfu i say

Shadow Fall is a launch title and it will use only 4GB RAM, I'm curious to see what Naughty Dog or Quantic Dream will do in the last year of PS4 cycle.

PS3-PS4 leap is as big as PS2-PS3 leap.