but when buying candy you actually get something in return, when paying for live you just get access to stuff that you already payed money for and should get for free. your comparison is false, this comparison explains the situation perfectly. its like toshiba forcing me to pay 5 bucks a month to use the internet. its a rip off, you dont want to accept that fact then dont, you think its not a rip off then ok, but it is, and dont go calling other people cry babies when they point a legitimate reason and actually have the balls to stick up to it

I'll be honest: As an Xbox 360 user who uses Xbox Live for nothing but online multiplayer, downloading demos, trailers and a few game add-ons, I fail to see what I'm paying for that PSN doesn't offer for free.

Yeah, well, MMOs actually have that thing called upkeep costs, and what makes the difference is that those MMOs generally have no other means besides the game's price to get money. And there's an excellent example of an online platform not needing monthly fees to be viable:

So there you go.

Exactly, and this gen everyone is going to see through marketing this gen that the PS4 offers just that including cross chat and other great features with a true tier service (which Gaikai will mostly be apart of). No one should have to pay for simple online gaming. There has to be another service.

If you want to play Halo/Gears/Forza online and pay money for it, then you can do so. I will play Uncharted/GOW/LBP/Infamous/Resistance/Killzone online for free. Same with multiplats. You can pay for the same games like COD/BF/AC while I can play them online for free.

You can make a long list like that..

Why do people waste money on a Vita?
Why did so many people buy hats in Team Fortress 2?
Why do people waste money on buying games for consoles while they are so much better on PC?

The biggest problem is that people are happy and enjoy Xbox live and think it is worth it. And that is the biggest problem for mostly Sony fanboys. They don't want you are happy and enjoy Xbox live so they will almost make a thread every week about Xbox live and try to make the happy Xbox live Gold members like idiots.

Having the ability to play on a service that doesn't include those pitifull fanboys is worth the money :).

You've only used MMOs as an example in the op of a subscription-based online service, so my point still stands.

You're looking at a strangely specific group of people that both play subscription-based MMOs  and then refuse to pay XBL fees on principle. I'm not sure why you'd call them out since they seem like such a tiny group of people, and I doubt you'd be able to pick out anyone here that falls into both categories without asking. So, the point of this thread is difficult to determine for me.

edit: if you want to make a point about ALL paid online services, make that clear in the op by actually mentioning some examples. But if you do, your point becomes a lot harder to argue, as there are fairly obvious reasons why one would not pay for XBL but would be ok for paying for PS+, for example. 

I understand what you're saying. You wouldn't want to pay if Microsoft wasn't forcing you.

But do you understand that people have been gaming online for more than a decade without having to pay and having a lot of fun at the same time? Wii, WIi U, PSP, PS Vita, Game Cube, PS2, PS3 and the Dreamcast have all offered online gameplay without asking you for money, whatever that amount may be.

The ones 'complaining' about a fee for online are Nintendo and Sony fans. These guys have never paid for online, so you can't call them hypocrites for not approving the policy Microsoft and their fans have been embracing!

You and I are on the same boat riding towards PS4 next gen. At first I thought XBL was the best thing that happened to mankind because of how well it handled MP over previous gen. Then I got the PS3 and wondered what exactly have I been paying for. Its the same thing but free.

Great. We agree to be happy that the other is enjoying what they want to enjoy.

There is one difference between us. I'll be playing all your examples because a tiny fee is not a wall too high for me to climb.