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PullusPardus on 24 February 2013
youarebadatgames said:
PullusPardus said:
youarebadatgames said:
PullusPardus said:

I don't really care, Online gaming should be free, MMOs should be free as well.

its not 1997 where running a server is something difficult and you have to use dial up, this is 2013 , you can run a server using your phone and it will run perfectly.

Every online game should be free, period.


Sure, find me a company that will keep updating and fixing those MMOs, or the customer support people that will handle your account info, or the bandwidth needed to run a server for free and you can have all that.

Or just STFU and stick to playing free open source games, cause if nobody wanted to pay that's what it's going to go down to.


Microtransactions.


??? that doesn't change the fact that you can play for free without them charging you.



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oniyide on 24 February 2013
Akvod said:
kain_kusanagi said:
oniyide said:
kain_kusanagi said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Wiwefak said:

Kain_kusanagi you should stop posting already. You are making yourself look bad. We are basically comparing at the moment PSN with Xbox live. Basically PSn does everything that Xbox live does and for free. PSN+ offers a lot more for a cheaper fee and it is optional. So at this point we should be focusing on PSN, Nintendo, Steam which provide a free service.

Why do you keep bringing Halo up? Doesn't make sense. The topic  here is " Is it worth to pay for something that you can get for free on any other platform" and you start talking about PS players can't get Halo. Another example how you lack arguments and just throwing random stuff here and there trying to justify this? I would respected you more, but with the Halo posts. No words.

Halo is just one example of what PSN doesn't offer that XBL does. That's the point. If you want to play XBox exclusives online you need XBL Gold and if that means a tiny fee so be it. I've said many times that if XBLG was free I'd be happy about that. Free PSN does not replace the need to play Xbox exclusives. That's the heart of the issue. Sony fanboys act like nobody needs XBL because PSN exists, but you can't play games like Halo on PSN. As good as Killzone is, it is no more a replacement for Halo than Halo is a replacement for Killzone.

I made this topic because I'm tired of the argument. My opinion of PS+ and the words I've used describing it have never been full of the hate that gets spewed at XBL.


So even in light of the PSN getting closer and closer and now being equal in offerings where does the superiority come from? It cant be games. Theres no servers Microsoft pays for, they slip you the bill and the person with the best speed is the master of the server.

I didn't make this thread to justify why MS charges for XBLG, that's not my job. I  made th is thread because people enjoy games like Halo, that PSN doesn't have, and they pay for XBLG to do so. It is the cost of admission. I'm tired of people being treated like idiots for enjoying amazing games like Halo 4 just because PSN is free. If you could play Halo 4 on PSN I'd cancel my XBLA subscription. Like I've said many times, if XBLG was free I'd be happy. I don't even like stuff like Hulu and Netflix being kept behind the Gold wall. What what I don't like even more are the attacks on those of use who enjoy games like Halo 4, Gears, etc.

Im sorry but this makes no sense, and you are just pissing in the wind at this point, this was NOT the point of your thread. You tried to compare it to MMOs and people rightfully so, shot that argument to crap for various reasons. When that didnt work out for you, fell back on old typical arguments about, cross chat and servers, the usually nonsense that gets shot to crap. Finally you brought up Halo, which you should have done from the jump. Just say I love Halo so much that I dont mind paying money to play it, which is perfectly fine, if people think you are foolish for doing so let them, will it kill your fun time with the game? 

I find it funny how you were critizing MMO players but then you turn around and reveal that you pay MS to play Halo online which is not at all that different from what MMO players do.


I'm impressed with your ability to twist my words and assign new intent with so little regard to their original meaning as well as completely missunderstand the point of the original post.

I made this thread because people should be allowed to enjoy games like Halo without getting attacked for paying for XBLG. The POINT of this thread is to show that nobody complains about paying for MMOs but for some reason XBLG an unacceptable evil. Why I made the thread and the point of it are related, but they don't need to be the same thing to be valid.

Right, and just like he said, people think it's a bad comparison. I'm not seeing how you're really responding to him.


thats because he isnt ;)  his original meaning(MMO comparison) was not good so he moved on to a new one (Halo, which aint that great either)



naruball on 24 February 2013
kain_kusanagi said:
Somini said:
So you're basically saying PC gamers suck it up and pay for online why don't console gamers do the same?


No. I'm saying paying for online isn't seen as evil if Blizzard does it, but for if MS does it people act like stealing money from orphans. I'm also asking if all online fees are fundimentaly wrong or just the ones fans don't have the cash for?

I'm sorry but that's a terrible example. That's just one game. And many of us here don't play wow because of that. I've only played Guild Wars and also bought Guild Wars 2 a few months ago. It's not like I can play wow free on mac and with a subscription on pc. 

Both people who disapprove of having to pay for live to play online and those who argue that the amount is insignificant for them and well worth the price have a fair point. Now, if Sony had a similar policy, say locking dlc unless you have psn+ (which would still affect less people), then sure you'd have every right to call them out as hypocrites. 



oniyide on 24 February 2013
kain_kusanagi said:
UltimateUnknown said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Akvod said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Wiwefak said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Wiwefak said:

 


I didn't make this thread to justify why MS charges for XBLG, that's not my job. ike I've said many times, if XBLG was free I'd be happy. I'm just tired of people being treated like idiots for enjoying amazing games like Halo 4 just because PSN is free. If you could play Halo 4 on PSN I'd cancel my XBLA subscription. If Sony charged to play Killzone or Uncharted online I'd pay.

BTW, I don't have a problem buying Mass Effect DLC. Those games are amazing without the DLC and even better with it.

But you are justifying paying for XBLG because it has Halo. In fact Halo has been the only consistent argument you have given in favour of XBLG. You were pointing out how MMO players pay a monthly fee to play online when you yourself essentially have been paying $4 a month to play online. Let me reiterate: there is nothing wrong with that. If you like Halo so much then there is nothing wrong with paying however much MS charges for it. If you find value in it, then go for it because it is something that you can only find with MS.

But the people who are arguing against XBLG are not doing so against the exclusives it offers. We are arguing about the things that are common with other services. For example, take Black Ops 2. You can play BO2 online on PSN, Nintendo Network and Steam without paying any extra charges. This ability to play online is covered by the intial $60 we pay for the game. Then why is MS charging another $4 a month on a 3rd party game, who are handling their own online infrastructure, to access the online portion of the game? We already paid for the online once when we bought the game, but why do we have to pay more on XBLG to play the game? What exactly are they offering more that the other 3 platforms aren't offering? Same with other services such as Netflix, which we already pay a subscription for and is available on PC, PSN, NN, etc without any extra cost, but why do we have to pay more to access something we are already paying for on XBL? Is XBLG offering something more, like free movies in Netflix on its platform that warrants the extra charge?

You see if MS charged $4 a month for its EXCLUSIVE games or services such as Halo or Gears, then there would be no argument here, even though other platforms such as PSN and NN offer free online for their exclusive games. You could just say I like playing Halo (because it is subjective) for a monthly fee just like MMO people like paying for their games monthly, and this content is only found in XBLG, so I have no choice. And we would all say that's cool because to each their own. But when MS starts charging and blocking out content that we already paid for and are available on other platforms without any extra cost (like BO2 MP), thats when people complain that XBLG is flawed. That is the argument.

Thank you for your respectfull reply.

I'm not going to justify why MS charges for XBLG. If it was free I'd be happy. What I will say is that I pay for XBLA for the same reason that I bought a Xbox 360. For the games I can't get anywhere else.  The 3rd party games are irrelevant to me, even though I enjoy them, because without games like Halo and Gears I wouldn't have a 360 and I wouldn't pay for XBLG. Since games like Halo are so good I pay for it and enjoy it. That offends people and this forum is full of people spitting fire at those who enjoy their exclusives just because XBLG has a tiny fee and PSN doesn't.

This is the most concise post youve made yet, and i wish you would have just said this from the beginning instead of making that MMO comparison. Who are these people spitting fire? No one was attacking your preference they were just attacking your argument, as they should do in a forum



youarebadatgames on 24 February 2013
PullusPardus said:


??? that doesn't change the fact that you can play for free without them charging you.


I can play demos and shareware over and over again for free, but I wouldn't really call that playing the game for free.



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kain_kusanagi on 24 February 2013
oniyide said:
kain_kusanagi said:
UltimateUnknown said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Akvod said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Wiwefak said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Wiwefak said:

 


I didn't make this thread to justify why MS charges for XBLG, that's not my job. ike I've said many times, if XBLG was free I'd be happy. I'm just tired of people being treated like idiots for enjoying amazing games like Halo 4 just because PSN is free. If you could play Halo 4 on PSN I'd cancel my XBLA subscription. If Sony charged to play Killzone or Uncharted online I'd pay.

BTW, I don't have a problem buying Mass Effect DLC. Those games are amazing without the DLC and even better with it.

But you are justifying paying for XBLG because it has Halo. In fact Halo has been the only consistent argument you have given in favour of XBLG. You were pointing out how MMO players pay a monthly fee to play online when you yourself essentially have been paying $4 a month to play online. Let me reiterate: there is nothing wrong with that. If you like Halo so much then there is nothing wrong with paying however much MS charges for it. If you find value in it, then go for it because it is something that you can only find with MS.

But the people who are arguing against XBLG are not doing so against the exclusives it offers. We are arguing about the things that are common with other services. For example, take Black Ops 2. You can play BO2 online on PSN, Nintendo Network and Steam without paying any extra charges. This ability to play online is covered by the intial $60 we pay for the game. Then why is MS charging another $4 a month on a 3rd party game, who are handling their own online infrastructure, to access the online portion of the game? We already paid for the online once when we bought the game, but why do we have to pay more on XBLG to play the game? What exactly are they offering more that the other 3 platforms aren't offering? Same with other services such as Netflix, which we already pay a subscription for and is available on PC, PSN, NN, etc without any extra cost, but why do we have to pay more to access something we are already paying for on XBL? Is XBLG offering something more, like free movies in Netflix on its platform that warrants the extra charge?

You see if MS charged $4 a month for its EXCLUSIVE games or services such as Halo or Gears, then there would be no argument here, even though other platforms such as PSN and NN offer free online for their exclusive games. You could just say I like playing Halo (because it is subjective) for a monthly fee just like MMO people like paying for their games monthly, and this content is only found in XBLG, so I have no choice. And we would all say that's cool because to each their own. But when MS starts charging and blocking out content that we already paid for and are available on other platforms without any extra cost (like BO2 MP), thats when people complain that XBLG is flawed. That is the argument.

Thank you for your respectfull reply.

I'm not going to justify why MS charges for XBLG. If it was free I'd be happy. What I will say is that I pay for XBLA for the same reason that I bought a Xbox 360. For the games I can't get anywhere else.  The 3rd party games are irrelevant to me, even though I enjoy them, because without games like Halo and Gears I wouldn't have a 360 and I wouldn't pay for XBLG. Since games like Halo are so good I pay for it and enjoy it. That offends people and this forum is full of people spitting fire at those who enjoy their exclusives just because XBLG has a tiny fee and PSN doesn't.

This is the most concise post youve made yet, and i wish you would have just said this from the beginning instead of making that MMO comparison. Who are these people spitting fire? No one was attacking your preference they were just attacking your argument, as they should do in a forum

I stand by the MMO comparison. Paying to play a game online is the issue, not why the company is charging for it.

As for who is spitting fire. Anyone that brings up XBLG gets told that it's a rip off and PSN is better and PS+ is better and blah blah blah. It seems to be that discussions on this forum involving online games devolve into a pissing contest about online services. I contest, and I've said this so much I'm getting tired of it, that paying to play Halo is no different than paying to play WoW. It doesn't matter than PSN is free or that Guild Wars is free. If people want to pay to play Halo 4 and WoW it's because they love those games and they are ok with the price of admission. But you can't say that on this forum without someone saying that XBLG is a money grab and PSN does it all for free. PSN doesn't have Halo or Gears or Forza so it doesn't do it all for free. If you'd rather play Killzone or Uncharted or GT5 than great you can avoid the cost of XBLA. But those are different games, just like WoW is different than Guild Wars and some people choose to pay for WoW and some choose to play Guild Wars. Nobody seems to have a problem with that choice, but tons seem to have a problem with people wanting to play Halo 4 enough to pay a tiny fee.

I play on everything and PSN is great. If MS stopped charging I'd be happy about it even if I lost some features. My choice for paying has nothing to do with stuff like Hulu, Netflix, or UI or any of the other reasons that people give for why they like XBL more than PSN. None of that matters. What really matters games like Halo and Gears and Forza are worth paying to a lot of people. Do they want to pay, no of course not. I don't want to pay for anything, but I do so I can have what I want. I don't like paying for gas, but my car won't go without it. It doesn't matter why MS charges for XBLG, my games won't go online without it. Since I'm not willing to go without my favorite games I pay for for XBLG like I pay for gas in my car.

This discussion keeps getting derailed by those who want justification for why MS charges for online gameplay. I never said anything about why MS charges and I don't care. That doesn't matter. There is a charge and if you want to play the killer exclusives that make Xbox worth owning you have to pay a little bit more. When people state that they refuse to pay for XBLG they are saying that games like Halo aren't worth it to them. That's fine, but I want them to consider that it's worth it to others. I'm not telling anyone that XBL is better than PSN and I don't even believe that PS+ has anything to do with it. I'm merely saying that choosing to pay the price of admission for the games you love shouldn't get you or your platform of choice insulted.

PS+ is the second thing people bring up when the topic of XBLG is mentioned in a positive way. The first is that PSN is free, but I've talked enough about that. PS+ is a great service for those who it appeals to. When it was first announced I hated the idea and I said it was stupid. Since then I still don't want to pay for temporary access to a limited selection of games that Sony picks for you, but I have never argued that people shouldn't use and enjoy it. I've argued that it isn't as valuable of a service to me as it is to others, but for some reason that is an unacceptable opinion on this website. The only acceptable attitude on online gaming is that it must be free or it's trash.

This thread was supposed to be a funny way to look at what I just said. But because nobody can say anything positive about XBLG on this forum it turned from a light hearted topic in fun to 20 pages of attacks on my character and demands for me to defend XBLG. I don't work for MS and it's not my job to justify the price of XBLG. The only thing that matters is the games and Xbox exclusives like Halo are worth it.



oniyide on 24 February 2013
kain_kusanagi said:
oniyide said:
kain_kusanagi said:
UltimateUnknown said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Akvod said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Wiwefak said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Wiwefak said:

 


I didn't make this thread to justify why MS charges for XBLG, that's not my job. ike I've said many times, if XBLG was free I'd be happy. I'm just tired of people being treated like idiots for enjoying amazing games like Halo 4 just because PSN is free. If you could play Halo 4 on PSN I'd cancel my XBLA subscription. If Sony charged to play Killzone or Uncharted online I'd pay.

BTW, I don't have a problem buying Mass Effect DLC. Those games are amazing without the DLC and even better with it.

But you are justifying paying for XBLG because it has Halo. In fact Halo has been the only consistent argument you have given in favour of XBLG. You were pointing out how MMO players pay a monthly fee to play online when you yourself essentially have been paying $4 a month to play online. Let me reiterate: there is nothing wrong with that. If you like Halo so much then there is nothing wrong with paying however much MS charges for it. If you find value in it, then go for it because it is something that you can only find with MS.

But the people who are arguing against XBLG are not doing so against the exclusives it offers. We are arguing about the things that are common with other services. For example, take Black Ops 2. You can play BO2 online on PSN, Nintendo Network and Steam without paying any extra charges. This ability to play online is covered by the intial $60 we pay for the game. Then why is MS charging another $4 a month on a 3rd party game, who are handling their own online infrastructure, to access the online portion of the game? We already paid for the online once when we bought the game, but why do we have to pay more on XBLG to play the game? What exactly are they offering more that the other 3 platforms aren't offering? Same with other services such as Netflix, which we already pay a subscription for and is available on PC, PSN, NN, etc without any extra cost, but why do we have to pay more to access something we are already paying for on XBL? Is XBLG offering something more, like free movies in Netflix on its platform that warrants the extra charge?

You see if MS charged $4 a month for its EXCLUSIVE games or services such as Halo or Gears, then there would be no argument here, even though other platforms such as PSN and NN offer free online for their exclusive games. You could just say I like playing Halo (because it is subjective) for a monthly fee just like MMO people like paying for their games monthly, and this content is only found in XBLG, so I have no choice. And we would all say that's cool because to each their own. But when MS starts charging and blocking out content that we already paid for and are available on other platforms without any extra cost (like BO2 MP), thats when people complain that XBLG is flawed. That is the argument.

Thank you for your respectfull reply.

I'm not going to justify why MS charges for XBLG. If it was free I'd be happy. What I will say is that I pay for XBLA for the same reason that I bought a Xbox 360. For the games I can't get anywhere else.  The 3rd party games are irrelevant to me, even though I enjoy them, because without games like Halo and Gears I wouldn't have a 360 and I wouldn't pay for XBLG. Since games like Halo are so good I pay for it and enjoy it. That offends people and this forum is full of people spitting fire at those who enjoy their exclusives just because XBLG has a tiny fee and PSN doesn't.

This is the most concise post youve made yet, and i wish you would have just said this from the beginning instead of making that MMO comparison. Who are these people spitting fire? No one was attacking your preference they were just attacking your argument, as they should do in a forum

I stand by the MMO comparison. Paying to play a game online is the issue, not why the company is charging for it.

As for who is spitting fire. Anyone that brings up XBLG gets told that it's a rip off and PSN is better and PS+ is better and blah blah blah. It seems to be that discussions on this forum involving online games devolve into a pissing contest about online services. I contest, and I've said this so much I'm getting tired of it, that paying to play Halo is no different than paying to play WoW. It doesn't matter than PSN is free or that Guild Wars is free. If people want to pay to play Halo 4 and WoW it's because they love those games and they are ok with the price of admission. But you can't say that on this forum without someone saying that XBLG is a money grab and PSN does it all for free. PSN doesn't have Halo or Gears or Forza so it doesn't do it all for free. If you'd rather play Killzone or Uncharted or GT5 than great you can avoid the cost of XBLA. But those are different games, just like WoW is different than Guild Wars and some people choose to pay for WoW and some choose to play Guild Wars. Nobody seems to have a problem with that choice, but tons seem to have a problem with people wanting to play Halo 4 enough to pay a tiny fee.

I play on everything and PSN is great. If MS stopped charging I'd be happy about it even if I lost some features. My choice for paying has nothing to do with stuff like Hulu, Netflix, or UI or any of the other reasons that people give for why they like XBL more than PSN. None of that matters. What really matters games like Halo and Gears and Forza are worth paying to a lot of people. Do they want to pay, no of course not. I don't want to pay for anything, but I do so I can have what I want. I don't like paying for gas, but my car won't go without it. It doesn't matter why MS charges for XBLG, my games won't go online without it. Since I'm not willing to go without my favorite games I pay for for XBLG like I pay for gas in my car.

This discussion keeps getting derailed by those who want justification for why MS charges for online gameplay. I never said anything about why MS charges and I don't care. That doesn't matter. There is a charge and if you want to play the killer exclusives that make Xbox worth owning you have to pay a little bit more. When people state that they refuse to pay for XBLG they are saying that games like Halo aren't worth it to them. That's fine, but I want them to consider that it's worth it to others. I'm not telling anyone that XBL is better than PSN and I don't even believe that PS+ has anything to do with it. I'm merely saying that choosing to pay the price of admission for the games you love shouldn't get you or your platform of choice insulted.

PS+ is the second thing people bring up when the topic of XBLG is mentioned in a positive way. The first is that PSN is free, but I've talked enough about that. PS+ is a great service for those who it appeals to. When it was first announced I hated the idea and I said it was stupid. Since then I still don't want to pay for temporary access to a limited selection of games that Sony picks for you, but I have never argued that people shouldn't use and enjoy it. I've argued that it isn't as valuable of a service to me as it is to others, but for some reason that is an unacceptable opinion on this website. The only acceptable attitude on online gaming is that it must be free it's trash.

This thread was supposed to be a funny way to look at what I just said. But because nobody can say anything positive about XBLG on this forum it turned from a light hearted topic in fun to 20 pages of attacks on my character and demands for me to defend XBLG. I don't work for MS and it's not my job to justify the price of XBLG. The only thing that matters is the games and Xbox exclusives like Halo are worth it.

YOu can stand by whatever you want, im not going to get into the MMO thing because people have already tore it apart, although i do see where you are coming from.

Ever thought about ignoring these people? Thats what I do. As for having anything positive to say about XBL...why would they? I dont but i dont have anything negative to say either. its whatever.



ironmanDX on 24 February 2013

Chop the text trees guys....



PullusPardus on 24 February 2013
youarebadatgames said:
PullusPardus said:


??? that doesn't change the fact that you can play for free without them charging you.


I can play demos and shareware over and over again for free, but I wouldn't really call that playing the game for free.


so... Guild Wars 2 is a demo?



S.T.A.G.E. on 25 February 2013
kain_kusanagi said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Wiwefak said:

Kain_kusanagi you should stop posting already. You are making yourself look bad. We are basically comparing at the moment PSN with Xbox live. Basically PSn does everything that Xbox live does and for free. PSN+ offers a lot more for a cheaper fee and it is optional. So at this point we should be focusing on PSN, Nintendo, Steam which provide a free service.

Why do you keep bringing Halo up? Doesn't make sense. The topic  here is " Is it worth to pay for something that you can get for free on any other platform" and you start talking about PS players can't get Halo. Another example how you lack arguments and just throwing random stuff here and there trying to justify this? I would respected you more, but with the Halo posts. No words.

Halo is just one example of what PSN doesn't offer that XBL does. That's the point. If you want to play XBox exclusives online you need XBL Gold and if that means a tiny fee so be it. I've said many times that if XBLG was free I'd be happy about that. Free PSN does not replace the need to play Xbox exclusives. That's the heart of the issue. Sony fanboys act like nobody needs XBL because PSN exists, but you can't play games like Halo on PSN. As good as Killzone is, it is no more a replacement for Halo than Halo is a replacement for Killzone.

I made this topic because I'm tired of the argument. My opinion of PS+ and the words I've used describing it have never been full of the hate that gets spewed at XBL.


So even in light of the PSN getting closer and closer and now being equal in offerings where does the superiority come from? It cant be games. Theres no servers Microsoft pays for, they slip you the bill and the person with the best speed is the master of the server.

I didn't make this thread to justify why MS charges for XBLG, that's not my job. I  made th is thread because people enjoy games like Halo, that PSN doesn't have, and they pay for XBLG to do so. It is the cost of admission. I'm tired of people being treated like idiots for enjoying amazing games like Halo 4 just because PSN is free. If you could play Halo 4 on PSN I'd cancel my XBLA subscription. Like I've said many times, if XBLG was free I'd be happy. I don't even like stuff like Hulu and Netflix being kept behind the Gold wall. What what I don't like even more are the attacks on those of use who enjoy games like Halo 4, Gears, etc.


Halo has nothing to do with Xbox Live. Microsoft wont let you enjoy your $60 purchase without paying their troll toll. They should be thought of as seperate. Dont include Halo in the cost of Xbox Live because if you do then the feeling of a rip off tends to get worse.