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kain_kusanagi on 24 February 2013
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I didn't make this thread to justify why MS charges for XBLG, that's not my job. ike I've said many times, if XBLG was free I'd be happy. I'm just tired of people being treated like idiots for enjoying amazing games like Halo 4 just because PSN is free. If you could play Halo 4 on PSN I'd cancel my XBLA subscription. If Sony charged to play Killzone or Uncharted online I'd pay.

BTW, I don't have a problem buying Mass Effect DLC. Those games are amazing without the DLC and even better with it.

But you are justifying paying for XBLG because it has Halo. In fact Halo has been the only consistent argument you have given in favour of XBLG. You were pointing out how MMO players pay a monthly fee to play online when you yourself essentially have been paying $4 a month to play online. Let me reiterate: there is nothing wrong with that. If you like Halo so much then there is nothing wrong with paying however much MS charges for it. If you find value in it, then go for it because it is something that you can only find with MS.

But the people who are arguing against XBLG are not doing so against the exclusives it offers. We are arguing about the things that are common with other services. For example, take Black Ops 2. You can play BO2 online on PSN, Nintendo Network and Steam without paying any extra charges. This ability to play online is covered by the intial $60 we pay for the game. Then why is MS charging another $4 a month on a 3rd party game, who are handling their own online infrastructure, to access the online portion of the game? We already paid for the online once when we bought the game, but why do we have to pay more on XBLG to play the game? What exactly are they offering more that the other 3 platforms aren't offering? Same with other services such as Netflix, which we already pay a subscription for and is available on PC, PSN, NN, etc without any extra cost, but why do we have to pay more to access something we are already paying for on XBL? Is XBLG offering something more, like free movies in Netflix on its platform that warrants the extra charge?

You see if MS charged $4 a month for its EXCLUSIVE games or services such as Halo or Gears, then there would be no argument here, even though other platforms such as PSN and NN offer free online for their exclusive games. You could just say I like playing Halo (because it is subjective) for a monthly fee just like MMO people like paying for their games monthly, and this content is only found in XBLG, so I have no choice. And we would all say that's cool because to each their own. But when MS starts charging and blocking out content that we already paid for and are available on other platforms without any extra cost (like BO2 MP), thats when people complain that XBLG is flawed. That is the argument.

Thank you for your respectfull reply.

I'm not going to justify why MS charges for XBLG. If it was free I'd be happy. What I will say is that I pay for XBLA for the same reason that I bought a Xbox 360. For the games I can't get anywhere else.  The 3rd party games are irrelevant to me, even though I enjoy them, because without games like Halo and Gears I wouldn't have a 360 and I wouldn't pay for XBLG. Since games like Halo are so good I pay for it and enjoy it. That offends people and this forum is full of people spitting fire at those who enjoy their exclusives just because XBLG has a tiny fee and PSN doesn't.

This is the most concise post youve made yet, and i wish you would have just said this from the beginning instead of making that MMO comparison. Who are these people spitting fire? No one was attacking your preference they were just attacking your argument, as they should do in a forum

I stand by the MMO comparison. Paying to play a game online is the issue, not why the company is charging for it.

As for who is spitting fire. Anyone that brings up XBLG gets told that it's a rip off and PSN is better and PS+ is better and blah blah blah. It seems to be that discussions on this forum involving online games devolve into a pissing contest about online services. I contest, and I've said this so much I'm getting tired of it, that paying to play Halo is no different than paying to play WoW. It doesn't matter than PSN is free or that Guild Wars is free. If people want to pay to play Halo 4 and WoW it's because they love those games and they are ok with the price of admission. But you can't say that on this forum without someone saying that XBLG is a money grab and PSN does it all for free. PSN doesn't have Halo or Gears or Forza so it doesn't do it all for free. If you'd rather play Killzone or Uncharted or GT5 than great you can avoid the cost of XBLA. But those are different games, just like WoW is different than Guild Wars and some people choose to pay for WoW and some choose to play Guild Wars. Nobody seems to have a problem with that choice, but tons seem to have a problem with people wanting to play Halo 4 enough to pay a tiny fee.

I play on everything and PSN is great. If MS stopped charging I'd be happy about it even if I lost some features. My choice for paying has nothing to do with stuff like Hulu, Netflix, or UI or any of the other reasons that people give for why they like XBL more than PSN. None of that matters. What really matters games like Halo and Gears and Forza are worth paying to a lot of people. Do they want to pay, no of course not. I don't want to pay for anything, but I do so I can have what I want. I don't like paying for gas, but my car won't go without it. It doesn't matter why MS charges for XBLG, my games won't go online without it. Since I'm not willing to go without my favorite games I pay for for XBLG like I pay for gas in my car.

This discussion keeps getting derailed by those who want justification for why MS charges for online gameplay. I never said anything about why MS charges and I don't care. That doesn't matter. There is a charge and if you want to play the killer exclusives that make Xbox worth owning you have to pay a little bit more. When people state that they refuse to pay for XBLG they are saying that games like Halo aren't worth it to them. That's fine, but I want them to consider that it's worth it to others. I'm not telling anyone that XBL is better than PSN and I don't even believe that PS+ has anything to do with it. I'm merely saying that choosing to pay the price of admission for the games you love shouldn't get you or your platform of choice insulted.

PS+ is the second thing people bring up when the topic of XBLG is mentioned in a positive way. The first is that PSN is free, but I've talked enough about that. PS+ is a great service for those who it appeals to. When it was first announced I hated the idea and I said it was stupid. Since then I still don't want to pay for temporary access to a limited selection of games that Sony picks for you, but I have never argued that people shouldn't use and enjoy it. I've argued that it isn't as valuable of a service to me as it is to others, but for some reason that is an unacceptable opinion on this website. The only acceptable attitude on online gaming is that it must be free or it's trash.

This thread was supposed to be a funny way to look at what I just said. But because nobody can say anything positive about XBLG on this forum it turned from a light hearted topic in fun to 20 pages of attacks on my character and demands for me to defend XBLG. I don't work for MS and it's not my job to justify the price of XBLG. The only thing that matters is the games and Xbox exclusives like Halo are worth it.