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curl-6 on 23 February 2013
DanneSandin said:
curl-6 said:
What's the logic in denying devs access to 1/4 of your system's available RAM? Or is it a case of laziness/incompetence rather than sabotage?

The reason as far as I understand it is to make Nintendo's own games look and run much better than 3rd parties. And tihs is apparently something they've done since the GC days, or even earlier.

The games don't seem to show this though; Nintendo's games have an edge, but that makes sense as its their hardware and they are familiar with it. Meanwhile, 3rd party games like Rogue Squadron 2 & 3 and Resident Evil 4 surpassed any Nintendo 'Cube title.



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rutea7 on 23 February 2013

tagging because of all those predictions



DanneSandin on 23 February 2013
curl-6 said:
DanneSandin said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
VGKing said:
Look at the power difference between PS4 and Wii U. There's your main problem.
Game developers will not compromise their games vision just to accommodate the Wii U. It's just not going to happen, especially with the way Wii U is selling now.


The problem with Nintendo that people havent seen is that Nintendo has held back devs in one way or another to form fit their standards rather than vice versa. Its been like this for over twenty years, its just that when Sony and Microsoft came everyone started to notice what the real problem was when devs fled to Sony to give them the specs they needed to fly.

It's like you're the only one that understands STAGE!! THIS is what I'm talking about! Nintendo is holding 3rd parties back so that their 1st party games look so much better than other games...

Sorry, but that sounds like a bit of tinfoil hat conspiracy theory to me. Nintendo's games are almost never about pushing technically intensive graphics.

No, they're not about looking pretty, they're about game play. Thing is, they're making 3rd parties work so much harder on the HW because they have to work around the restrictions that Nintendo has set up. This is one of the reasons why Wii saw so little support except for shovelware; restrictions that made a hard HW even harder to work with. And btw, you don't think that Rol's theory of 3rd parties being biased and not wanting to make money sounds like a tin foil theory?



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DanneSandin on 23 February 2013
curl-6 said:
DanneSandin said:
curl-6 said:
DanneSandin said:
RolStoppable said:
DanneSandin said:

Nintendo gave 3rd party developers gimped dev kits?!

 

Has anyone really read what I'm saying???

Why should you be taken serious when you said that Nintendo cancelled third party games?

Well come e3 and you see what kind of MEGATONS I talked about I should be believed.


Let me take a stab in the dark; you're hinting at Bayonetta 2 going to PS3/360/720/PS4?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=155705&page=1

That's the megatons I'm talking about

I meant your reference to the 3rd party exclusive they are losing.

Oh, no Bayo2 is still Wii U exclusive as far as I know. I've already said to others here it's a survival horror...



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Immortal on 23 February 2013
DanneSandin said:
Immortal said:
I'm tempted to think this is a joke thread. The "even though I didn't say anything" part is too convincing here.

Am I wrong?

I'm not joking: Nintendo is withholding (or rather did anyways) RAM from the 3rd parties so that Nintendo games will look better. That's what caused EA to walk out on the Wii U. And check out my PS4 e3 prediction: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=155705&page=1 If that comes true it should show that I have inside information about all of this.


Maybe you're right. I can't say for sure. But right now you're just saying a bunch of random stuff without telling us your source and while having zero credibility.

If you get your PS4 E3 predictions right, then we maybe we'll take you seriously. Right now, you're just trolling Nintendo without evidence.  The best thing you can do right now is ask some moderator to close this thread for you.



 

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DanneSandin on 23 February 2013
Trunkin said:
I'll take your prophecies seriously if the PS4 actually launches at $350. It's not gonna happen. I'm willing to bet on that.

What do you want to bet? ^^



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curl-6 on 23 February 2013
DanneSandin said:
curl-6 said:
DanneSandin said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
VGKing said:
Look at the power difference between PS4 and Wii U. There's your main problem.
Game developers will not compromise their games vision just to accommodate the Wii U. It's just not going to happen, especially with the way Wii U is selling now.


The problem with Nintendo that people havent seen is that Nintendo has held back devs in one way or another to form fit their standards rather than vice versa. Its been like this for over twenty years, its just that when Sony and Microsoft came everyone started to notice what the real problem was when devs fled to Sony to give them the specs they needed to fly.

It's like you're the only one that understands STAGE!! THIS is what I'm talking about! Nintendo is holding 3rd parties back so that their 1st party games look so much better than other games...

Sorry, but that sounds like a bit of tinfoil hat conspiracy theory to me. Nintendo's games are almost never about pushing technically intensive graphics.

No, they're not about looking pretty, they're about game play. Thing is, they're making 3rd parties work so much harder on the HW because they have to work around the restrictions that Nintendo has set up. This is one of the reasons why Wii saw so little support except for shovelware; restrictions that made a hard HW even harder to work with. And btw, you don't think that Rol's theory of 3rd parties being biased and not wanting to make money sounds like a tin foil theory?

The Wii's TEV hardware was totally different to the other consoles, that's why it was hard to develop for.

As for 3rd parties and Nintendo, the 3rd parties think Nintendo gamers only buy Nintendo software, so they don't invest, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.



curl-6 on 23 February 2013

*Please delete*



DanneSandin on 23 February 2013
saicho said:
Roma said:
DanneSandin said:
Roma said:
Danne are you trolling us? If Nintendo said devs will have access to 1gb for games why should they get less?

I'm sad to tell you I'm not trolling =( this is all things I've heard from within the business. I don't know anything more than you do. I have no idea why Nintendo is doing this. My source says he thought it might be because Nintendo will bring out a NEW console rather soon (sooner than thought anyways), but that's all speculation

sorry man your friends friend doesn't sound reliable at all I mean there were a lot of people expecting Killzone 4 and PS4 being as powerful as the rumors say anyone could tell that it would look amazing

Nintendo never let power be the deciding factor into releasing a new console because others have much more power. releasing a new console will only damage Nintendos image

was this person Pachter btw?

That's who I have in mind cause it sounds like him... haha

OP: Nintendo cancelled two almost complete 3 rd party games yet no other source is reporting it? That makes even less sense than Nintendo cancelling 3rd party games.

And that's what I'm trying to say: Nintendo isn't making ANY sense these days! I was shocked when I learned they canclled these two games. One hasn't been announced yet - at all (survival horror) - and the other I'm not too sure about... It's a long running series though. I did a quick googling and it would seem that the second game actually HAS been announced, just not which platforms it's coming to...



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DanneSandin on 23 February 2013
curl-6 said:
DanneSandin said:
curl-6 said:
What's the logic in denying devs access to 1/4 of your system's available RAM? Or is it a case of laziness/incompetence rather than sabotage?

The reason as far as I understand it is to make Nintendo's own games look and run much better than 3rd parties. And tihs is apparently something they've done since the GC days, or even earlier.

The games don't seem to show this though; Nintendo's games have an edge, but that makes sense as its their hardware and they are familiar with it. Meanwhile, 3rd party games like Rogue Squadron 2 & 3 and Resident Evil 4 surpassed any Nintendo 'Cube title.

Then how do you explain the lack of GOOD 3rd party support on the Wii then? THE best selling console of the 7th gen. Developers really wanted to make games for it, but the HW was so restricted they thought "fuck it" and just released shovelware and poor ass ports.



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