Frankly, Zelda/3D Mario/Xenoblade 2/etc at 2GB of RAM is the preferable choice to me.

I don't see PS4 as any more next gen than Wii U. Don't get me wrong, it looks like a very promising system, but the choice isn't as one-way as you describe.

its alot of memory, but people seem to be ignoring all the extra things sony is doing OS wise. That 8 gigs is probably gonna look more like 3 or 4 when its all said and done. And visually none of the games are mindblowing, but they are definitely pretty. No announced price leads me to believe that Sony is going to be charging alot for this. Time will tell but at a super high price in todays economy, idc how good your games look they arent going anywhere but that store shelf

Erm, except a PC with 8GB GDDR5 RAM or even more?

The PS4 seems like a sound business venture, it integrates and expands upon existing comcepts of connectivity and social gaming. For me though, it seems like something of a nightmare, I hate playing games online save for two exceptions (simply because they're awesome extremely well balanced), I don't need to share and connect everything I do (I realise that I don't have to share anything though) and enjoy single player experiences, I also hate playing on handhelds and small screens.

All in all, the PS4 seems like its aimed at the twitter/instagram crowd, which is very clever but its not me, not at all. I know that I don't have to connect or am going to be forced online or to share or anything but all this seemed to be the main focus of the console, most development and effort will have this in mind, just like most development in the 7th has focused on explosions, gimmicks and shallow gloss.

Will I buy a PS4? Probably, in time, but there was nothing in that reveal that made me want to run out and get one at launch, or any time soon after. It was, as expected, more about social/online/sharing gaming, floating on the currents in the market but not on my wishlist.

I wonder why they didn't show price?
If your all about horse-power as seen in this thread, then I believe you should buy a high end graphic card for 300$ (Radeon hd7950 anyone) and get better graphx output, along with 16gb ram for 90$?
That will end up cheaper than buying PS4, wouldn't it? and you'll have moar horse-power :O

I mean common are you judging a game by the visuals or the gameplay? Not saying visuals are worthless in a game, but if people only cared about them, than developers wouldn't care about gameplay and only focus on getting a movie experience over a GAMING experience! I watched the whole stream and they mostly focused on visuals.

You can hardly play angry birds with on-board graphics...

Also i am hoping for a memory expansion slot. The memory will cost nothing in 3 years time making for a very cheap upgrade.

Console specs =/= PC specs. 8GB GDDR5 on a console can push much more than 8GB GDDR5 on a PC.

I don't want to get into this next-gen argument again. I had enough of it last gen. If you think wii u is next gen that's fine. I can respect if not agree with your opinion.

Many developers don't think it is next gen and that matters to the consumers. From it's poor sales I am guessing that the majority of consumers don't think it's next-gen either... or maybe that it's not worth getting.

As for choices, yes, I believe it is that simple. You yourself admit to it. You want to play Zelda. Mario etc., Wii u is for you.

If you want all the third party blockbusters, wii u is not for you.  If you want both Mario and third party big hitters like GTA then you need two consoles. It really is that simple.

By your logic the vita is not a next gen handheld. 

so what do you think from a business perspective? i think Sony did perfectly. they advertised on the 5:00 news., and i don't watch the news. it was on and i heard it.

the rest will be shown at E3. THE FUTURE IS NOW. PS4. i have no idea what MS can do to top Sony less it be COD exclusive or Battlefield.

Because of optimizing, its not because RAM becomes magical when its stuck inside a console casing. Besides, I can just up my RAM to 32 or even 64GB with my current setup should I wish to.

I think my point is; 8GB or RAM, yay! How does that help me when they're only announcing shooters, Diablo 3 (dear lord) and show tech demo's from last year (Squeenix)? Its kind of like Crytek, they know how to make a game gorgeous but they don't know how to make a game. And that racing game, online slush with pretty visuals and horrible physics. Online Arcade racing, hooray! The only thing I'm looking forward to with the PS4 is the next Gran Turismo.