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Somini on 14 February 2013
kain_kusanagi said:
Somini said:
kain_kusanagi said:
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brendude13 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
brendude13 said:

Couldn't you argue that nobody asked for their opinion either? Saying something like that off-topic would come off as very arrogant, so that response would be completely justified. Wouldn't be surprised if it came from somebody who had never set foot outside their own country too.


None of that matters. A positive statement does not require a negative response.

It does if it's an arrogant statement.

A "negative comment" does not require an answer all the time as well. Self critisicm once in a while is a very healthy thing.

That's not being disputing. What I'd like to know is why do those with negative things to say feel the need to express their opinion when that opinion was not asked for.

Do you have any clear examples of this, so i can imagine what it precisely is you are talking about here?

I'm not going to call out anybody and I'm not going to give any links. I'm speaking from personal experience. But I will give you an example without being specific. I once said that I would like to visit other nations, but I would prefer to continue living in the USA. I was then forced to defend my preference and the USA in general from many angles on various topics. I realized that this was only one of many similar instances.

Often while discussing topics like Iran or North Korea the conversation will be derailed to the USA and it's many faults. It seems that if an American criticizes even a nation as problematic as North Korea they must defend the USA and the American way of life. It's as if people have a chip on their shoulder and as soon as politics are mentioned they feel an unavoidable need to fire flaming arrows at the closest American with anything resembling a positive outlook on their homeland.

It may be things like that. I mean Americans think North Korea is problematic, not everyone else in the world. In this instance for example i'm not saying i'm fond of them, but the USA has more nukes than North Korea, Iran, Russia and China combined and are the only one's to have used them in wars. So it's kinda one sided and not everyone thinks that way. America just gets hurt when others don't share their views.

George Bush's speech after 9/11 is a perfect example of this. 'either with us or against is' how about nations who don't care that much? 



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kain_kusanagi on 14 February 2013
Somini said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Somini said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Somini said:
brendude13 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
brendude13 said:

Couldn't you argue that nobody asked for their opinion either? Saying something like that off-topic would come off as very arrogant, so that response would be completely justified. Wouldn't be surprised if it came from somebody who had never set foot outside their own country too.


None of that matters. A positive statement does not require a negative response.

It does if it's an arrogant statement.

A "negative comment" does not require an answer all the time as well. Self critisicm once in a while is a very healthy thing.

That's not being disputing. What I'd like to know is why do those with negative things to say feel the need to express their opinion when that opinion was not asked for.

Do you have any clear examples of this, so i can imagine what it precisely is you are talking about here?

I'm not going to call out anybody and I'm not going to give any links. I'm speaking from personal experience. But I will give you an example without being specific. I once said that I would like to visit other nations, but I would prefer to continue living in the USA. I was then forced to defend my preference and the USA in general from many angles on various topics. I realized that this was only one of many similar instances.

Often while discussing topics like Iran or North Korea the conversation will be derailed to the USA and it's many faults. It seems that if an American criticizes even a nation as problematic as North Korea they must defend the USA and the American way of life. It's as if people have a chip on their shoulder and as soon as politics are mentioned they feel an unavoidable need to fire flaming arrows at the closest American with anything resembling a positive outlook on their homeland.

It may be things like that. I mean Americans think North Korea is problematic, not everyone else in the world. In this instance for example i'm not saying i'm fond of them, but the USA has more nukes than North Korea, Iran, Russia and China combined and are the only one's to have used them in wars. So it's kinda one sided and not everyone thinks that way. America just gets hurt when others don't share their views.

George Bush's speech after 9/11 is a perfect example of this. 'either with us or against is' how about nations who don't care that much? 

See, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Nobody was talking about nukes or who should have them or who's responsible enough to be trusted with them. North Korea has problems, but you want me to justify and defend the USA in order to even mention that North Korea is imperfect.f



KungKras on 14 February 2013

USA has a strong presence in people's minds all over the world, due to the super power status, and the cultural exports, etc. Therefore, almost everyone has an opinion about the USA, and the probability of it being negative is high.



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kain_kusanagi on 14 February 2013
KungKras said:
USA has a strong presence in people's minds all over the world, due to the super power status, and the cultural exports, etc. Therefore, almost everyone has an opinion about the USA, and the probability of it being negative is high.


Yes, I've been getting this a lot in this thread. The USA is indeed big and therefore a big target. That is clearly true. What I'm asking is why do people feel the need to shout down any positive opinion of the USA. It's like the stupid fanboy wars, but it means a hell of a lot more than plastic box sitting next to a TV. I don't understand the need that fanboys have to fight over consoles nor do I understand the need that some people have to demand justification for patriotism. We aren't talking about sports rivalries, we are talking about homelands.



Kynes on 15 February 2013
kain_kusanagi said:
KungKras said:
USA has a strong presence in people's minds all over the world, due to the super power status, and the cultural exports, etc. Therefore, almost everyone has an opinion about the USA, and the probability of it being negative is high.


Yes, I've been getting this a lot in this thread. The USA is indeed big and therefore a big target. That is clearly true. What I'm asking is why do people feel the need to shout down any positive opinion of the USA. It's like the stupid fanboy wars, but it means a hell of a lot more than plastic box sitting next to a TV. I don't understand the need that fanboys have to fight over consoles nor do I understand the need that some people have to demand justification for patriotism. We aren't talking about sports rivalries, we are talking about homelands.

 

Because it's cool to badmouth USA, simply as that. In some countries it's politically incorrect to say all the good things USA provides to US, for example the EU nations have ridicule military budgets, thanks to NATO, and that money we don't spend in the military is used on welfare. Without USA and NATO, our military budgets should increase a lot, but people don't see that. As people say, fuck the police.