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itsJabby said:

hey guys, just because som random dev said it does not mean it will actually happen. there is no mathematical equation you can puut together to figure out which console wont be around. we dont have to choose which one will be gone. it will all be okay. 

You can't tell me that, I won't believe you!



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I love the Wii U / Dreamcast comparisons being made. These people have no clue what the hell they're talking about. SEGA already had one foot in the grave when the Dreamcast launched, and even with the successful launch, the Dreamcast was essentially a "stop-gap" console and couldn't survive the onslaught that ensued once PS2, GC and Xbox were released. Hell, the DC didn't even make it long enough to face the GC and Xbox launches... SEGA pulled the plug a little more than a year after the system's US launch.

The Wii U is struggling to take hold in the market no doubt after a relatively quiet launch and, more importantly, no big releases out right now. The 2nd half of the year will be a different story as we see what else Nintendo has in store as well as what Retro and other studios have been cooking up. The Wii U isn't going anywhere any time soon.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

Always amusing to see how many people want Nintendo to fail, and they want them to fail so that their games become 3rd party on their system.

If Wii U fails. Then Nintendo will be handheld ONLY. They will NEVER release their games on another hardware than their own.



superchunk said:
eh.. I'd have to say it will happen but not in the same manner as SEGA.

Nintendo will continue due to its lower cost platform and highly successful IPs. WiiU will not perform 100m like Wii, but it will be financially successful before the year is out.

Sony will drop from the dedicated handheld market and instead push is phone/tablet playstation experience (digitally only) I think... but their home console strategy with the value driven PSN+ is a good sell. So long as their consoles are not super expensive like the PS3 was, they will continue to be long-term profitable far sooner than PS3 was.

MS will drop out of dedicated consoles all together and I think that will be apparent with the next Xbox. I've been saying this is the path for them all since early 2012, but I was only certain about MS as they were the only one with a full OS to begin with. Their next device will be a full media device that can also play games. It will be that end goal they always wanted with a real device running Windows connected to the TV as the central part of the family entertainment and other needs. This is the reason they entered the gaming market and this is the realization of that long-term goal.

This doesn't mean its gaming capabilities will be gimped, just that it isn't the sole or primary focus anymore. The mass consumer wants this device, but not in the uber gimped and hard to use SmartTVs/DVD/etc. Add the current 360 usage of all tablets/phones for control and a full / real smart/win8 device on your TV and that's a nearly perfect solution. My only wish is that Nintendo or Sony did similar but with Android as it would have been the most logical choice. After all, I'm certain Apple will do it this year along with Google in some sort of Nexus device.... but both won't have the first party content of the others.

Well, here's to 2013 and changing times... I hope your ready for change.


I actually agree with you on this one. Though I hope that SONY maintains the PSV for a good couple years at least. I really love my PSV, though I don't use it for actual mobile gaming (I usually just play it at home, plugged into the wall even).

Microsoft seems to have the most problems moving forward, not just with the next XBOX, but their entire business range of products is being hit hard on all fronts. Their gaming and web (c#.net) divisions at this point are the only bright spots.



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nnodley said:
PlaystaionGamer said:
i have a iPhone 5 and a iPad.. i won't be buying the PS4 now as iOS games just fill my gaming addiction and the stores and gameplay are so deep.

I'm gonna say it right now before someone thinks your serious. 

SARCASM!!!


not really.. look at Angry Birds then look at The Last of Us. now.. its prett obvious AB is alot deeper and emotional!

 

 

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thismeintiel said:

As for one leaving the HW biz, I doubt anyone will. Gaming is all Nintendo does and they have survived low selling consoles before. At the very maximum, I could see them dropping home consoles and sticking with handhelds. Sony's console business isn't in trouble, it's their TV department that's causing most of their problems. So Sony will stick in there, but may drop, or lower, TV production. MS is possibly the only one I could see leaving next gen. If the NeXbox doesn't sell as well as the 360, they may choose to cut the price to create a larger price gap between it and the PS4. This will be bad, as they will already be losing money on every sale, and this would lead to even greater loses. This may cause another outcry from investors to ditch the gaming market and focus on Windows. It just depends on if MS wishes to listen to them or stick it out til the next gen. I assume they will stick it out.

I can only agree with this. If Nintendo has two very bad gens in a row, they'll probably only focus on handhelds, and if MS continues to lose a shit load of money on x3ox they'll pull the plug and simply make it a multimedia box, probably without the gaming aspect. And Sony will only leave the console business if the PS4 will flop hard and lose them money (which I highly doubt).



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I agree with everything he said. EXCEPT one of the big 3 dropping out. I think they'll push on a generation or two yet. The push for more power and the expectations it created has caused an unrealistic and expensive expectation that every game should be a Triple A game. Just like how it was with Hollywood a few years back.

They're trying to mitigate this with DLC but I don't see that working, and indie games haven't really caught on console scene wise.



sales2099 said:

Between the 3, Id say Nintendo at this point. Basically become a handheld giant, worse case scenerio.

Between MS and Sony, its just common sense MS as a corporation is far more sustainable then Sony and will dump whatever cash they have to to keep Xbox viable.


No reason for Nintendo to drop out considering how much software they sell and make off it.  Even if Wii U Ends up at Vita levels of sales Nintendo will probably profit.



I don't see Sony or Nintendo getting out. I guess I can see Microsoft getting out maybe. 

For me, games on phones and such don't replace console/PC games. I much rather buy and play a God Of War or Mario game over Angry Birds. I understand that developing console/PC games are extremely expensive for companies. And if they don't sell well those companies can have to close up their doors. But most games that are good games do become profitable. Games like Halo, Uncharted, and Mario are well put together and sell. Games like MoH Warfighter and RE6 aren't very good and don't meet expectation for both the Publisher and Consumer. 

The Vita isn't a fail yet imo. It is failing at the $250 price point same as the 3DS did. Whether the Vita will pick up when it gets a price cut is unknown. But it's hard to sell your handheld at the same price as your home console.

The Wii U hasn't been out long enough to know if it'll be a success. It may not outsell the Wii, but it doesn't have too either.

People tend to look at the PS3 as a fail as well. Partly because of it's launch and loss in market share. However it did successfully push Blu Ray and beat out HD DVD. And the PS3 still has years left in it and countries that still are PS2 heavy to sell it in.

But something has to change in the way we buy games in general. The $60 price of new games is a little high for companies to expect consumers to be buying multiple games in a span of 4 to 8 weeks. And people are uneasy on buying new IP's at $60 as well. Going with the block on used games with further turn away consumers imo.

I'd like to see both Sony and Microsoft  make a big push for digital games. Yeah Sony has been selling many new games over PS Store same day as the physical retail copies. But they got to...

A) Cost less

B) Be able to preorder sooner.

If they are retailing for $60 when they release in retail stores, they need to be $50 over PS Store. Sure they lose $10 at first, but that Digital copy can't be resold to Gamestop either. And They got to give consumers more than 2 weeks notice that there will be a Digital release. I can preorder new God Of War after last E3 but don't know as of yet whether they will even sell it over PS Store at launch. That needs to be fixed



I agree one console could drop out this new generation but i don't think it will be because of funds.. Though having the money to take losses and cut the price of a console will help it doesn't gaurantee that throwing money at a console will increase popularity