so why are people in the forums saying otherwise?

http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/thread/5621866.aspx

or was it as dlc?

btw i could just as easily call your first post pissy and angry all that happened was that i saw misinformation in your post and sought to correct you

Yeah I don't think Forza 4 has F1 cars. I just tried looking it up and found nothing.

The thread was talking about the developement cycle. Quality control is part of it. Reviews reflect that.

From what I see you used the sales card to justify poor business decisions.

Like you said in op he is head of worldwide studios not SCEJ. Why he should be kicked out because of SCEJ failing when other parts of SCE are doing more than fine. Not to mention that one main reason for long development cycle for GT5 was that they were preparing themselves to the future and made the tools than can be used with PS4 too. They also made GT PSP during GT5 development. Sure the final product was not maybe as good as people wanted but they really have updated the game since. It's almost like new game nowadays after various updates.

Yushida is the best thing to happen to sony in the past decade, what the hell are you talking about?

Well, my brother and I made up this one Japanese developer named Shamo Shan and he creates stupid game ideas that the development team loves. Like for example he would recommend taking all the Nintendo characters out of Super Smash Bros. and the development team would chant "SHAMO SHAMO SHAMO!" just loving his stupid ideas. I guess we weren't all that crazy now that I've heard of this guy... well we're sort of crazy.

You are right.  I'm getting them mixed up with R1-R4 classes I believe.  Anyways here is the full list of Forza 4 cars. And no they donnt have F1 cars.

http://www.onlineracedriver.com/2011/07/20/forza-motorsport-4-full-official-car-list/

Listen, I am not calling GT5 a bad game at all, I was explaining the reviews is all.  It came from copy&pasted cars, damage to the cars was not done that well, the crowds and trees look like cardboard, and a lot of the gameplay was kind of boring.  However GT5 is still the most realistic simulated racer.

Forza raised the bar by adding damage, paint, acution house, a great online commuinity which also ties in with the paint.  They also added barrel rolls etc.  When GT5 came out if I remember correctly they didnt even want damage on cars but because of Forza they did.  GT5 still needs to work on that area and they need to put customization(paint) on cars and honestly I dont know why they havent done that as it is a big plus for many people.  I am not saying that Forza is a more realistic game, I am just saying as a game it has done a better job.  

Forums will not tell you much on the situaution especially when twice as many people have owned a Gran Turismo game over Forza.

And you could have very easily talked to me in a calm manner rather than saying it was a BS response.  No it was not.  many of the complaints i named you will also read in reviews.  Now it has been a very long time since Ive played GT5 and Forza but from memory that is what I went by.  

Sales2099 your like a moth to the light when it comes to bash sony threads, what are you even doing here?

This thread was a great example of how GT5 got lower review scores than forza.