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spaceguy on 11 February 2013

Sorry but we have to do something about second hand games. I invite all to talk about this and vote. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=154753&page=1#



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justinian on 11 February 2013
Nem said:
In a way he is right, as new consoles will be fewer and further between because its difficult to present a difference between systems that justifies their price tag. Every new console is facing that problem and so will the PS4 and X720. So, yes, the market has reached maturity in its current form and is starting to decline. Of course, this decline is slight, but the market as he also pointed out will continue to be profitable and the FPS bubble will eventually burst. But, that will just throw the bleeding costumers into other genres.
The hardware market is definitly falling but the software one still has alot of potencial. It now will become about the quality of the products instead of just throwing the next graphical beast. It might actually be for the best.

I think if future consoles lack progressive graphical grunt and processing power it will speed up their demise.

Major marketing tools for consoles are their power or innovation. Going back from the N64 days until this gen, the media has always hyped up the power of consoles and love to talk about what they are capable of, what are the stand out features. I remember the Brithish press and TV talking about the "immense power" and "realism" of the N64, the xbox, PS2 (included being used by Saddam for weapons) and PS3 at each launch.

Having games as realistic as possible in looks, control and AI is still many developers and gamers dream. To be honest mine too.

Unless the hardware is massively incremented each gen, this dream could be a long way off.

I understand they are obstacles in the way of accomplishing this and comprehend what you mean (bolded bit). I just think "dumbing down" consoles in terms of proccessing power can be even more of a risk.

 



Nem on 11 February 2013
justinian said:
Nem said:
In a way he is right, as new consoles will be fewer and further between because its difficult to present a difference between systems that justifies their price tag. Every new console is facing that problem and so will the PS4 and X720. So, yes, the market has reached maturity in its current form and is starting to decline. Of course, this decline is slight, but the market as he also pointed out will continue to be profitable and the FPS bubble will eventually burst. But, that will just throw the bleeding costumers into other genres.
The hardware market is definitly falling but the software one still has alot of potencial. It now will become about the quality of the products instead of just throwing the next graphical beast. It might actually be for the best.

I think if future consoles lack progressive graphical grunt and processing power it will speed up their demise.

Major marketing tools for consoles are their power or innovation. Going back from the N64 days until this gen, the media has always hyped up the power of consoles and love to talk about what they are capable of, what are the stand out features. I remember the Brithish press and TV talking about the "immense power" and "realism" of the N64, the xbox, PS2 (included being used by Saddam for weapons) and PS3 at each launch.

Having games as realistic as possible in looks, control and AI is still many developers and gamers dream. To be honest mine too.

Unless the hardware is massively incremented each gen, this dream could be a long way off.

I understand they are obstacles in the way of accomplishing this and comprehend what you mean (bolded bit). I just think "dumbing down" consoles in terms of proccessing power can be even more of a risk.

 


You understand that theres isnt much more that can be done at this point in terms of graphics? To continue selling the industry is gonna have to focus on innovation on its products. Add-on's like kinect and motion controls that add a new dimension to gaming, or Microsoft's projection technology that makes the game look like it goes beyond your TV. Those are the ways the industry can move forward. Graphics detail innovation is hitting a ceiling, its not gonna go much further than what it is now.



osed125 on 11 February 2013
Nem said:
justinian said:
Nem said:
In a way he is right, as new consoles will be fewer and further between because its difficult to present a difference between systems that justifies their price tag. Every new console is facing that problem and so will the PS4 and X720. So, yes, the market has reached maturity in its current form and is starting to decline. Of course, this decline is slight, but the market as he also pointed out will continue to be profitable and the FPS bubble will eventually burst. But, that will just throw the bleeding costumers into other genres.
The hardware market is definitly falling but the software one still has alot of potencial. It now will become about the quality of the products instead of just throwing the next graphical beast. It might actually be for the best.

I think if future consoles lack progressive graphical grunt and processing power it will speed up their demise.

Major marketing tools for consoles are their power or innovation. Going back from the N64 days until this gen, the media has always hyped up the power of consoles and love to talk about what they are capable of, what are the stand out features. I remember the Brithish press and TV talking about the "immense power" and "realism" of the N64, the xbox, PS2 (included being used by Saddam for weapons) and PS3 at each launch.

Having games as realistic as possible in looks, control and AI is still many developers and gamers dream. To be honest mine too.

Unless the hardware is massively incremented each gen, this dream could be a long way off.

I understand they are obstacles in the way of accomplishing this and comprehend what you mean (bolded bit). I just think "dumbing down" consoles in terms of proccessing power can be even more of a risk.

 


You understand that theres isnt much more that can be done at this point in terms of graphics? To continue selling the industry is gonna have to focus on innovation on its products. Add-on's like kinect and motion controls that add a new dimension to gaming, or Microsoft's projection technology that makes the game look like it goes beyond your TV. Those are the ways the industry can move forward. Graphics detail innovation is hitting a ceiling, its not gonna go much further than what it is now.

That's not actually true. Technically speaking you can still make improvements that make the game "drastically" different, the thing is that those changes are becoming less apparent every day (plus add time and cost to the development of the game) and most importantly, will people care? I mean just because you can see more pixels on the screen doesn't make it "different" for most people. 

I agree with you that what will move the industry forward are the "gimmicks" coming from all companies (at least in terms of sales). Graphics will not be a selling point for most people during this next gen imo.



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PullusPardus on 11 February 2013

I just can't take a guy seriously if he is wearing dolce gabbana shades inside (which i actually bought yesterday) , and have a black and white filter while having "Metallica" style font on his name tag (with the name xRazorFistx) and keeps using vulgar terms to view his points, and not to mention a shirt made out of MSPaint.



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Conegamer on 11 February 2013

It's certainly a possibility. The market has clearly reached saturation for this generation, and if there's no real innovation in the coming generation and/or the prices are too much higher than the current generation, then I could see some sort of crash.

That's if the American politicians don't start it first, of course.



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

chriscox1121 on 11 February 2013
Nem said:
justinian said:
Nem said:
In a way he is right, as new consoles will be fewer and further between because its difficult to present a difference between systems that justifies their price tag. Every new console is facing that problem and so will the PS4 and X720. So, yes, the market has reached maturity in its current form and is starting to decline. Of course, this decline is slight, but the market as he also pointed out will continue to be profitable and the FPS bubble will eventually burst. But, that will just throw the bleeding costumers into other genres.
The hardware market is definitly falling but the software one still has alot of potencial. It now will become about the quality of the products instead of just throwing the next graphical beast. It might actually be for the best.

I think if future consoles lack progressive graphical grunt and processing power it will speed up their demise.

Major marketing tools for consoles are their power or innovation. Going back from the N64 days until this gen, the media has always hyped up the power of consoles and love to talk about what they are capable of, what are the stand out features. I remember the Brithish press and TV talking about the "immense power" and "realism" of the N64, the xbox, PS2 (included being used by Saddam for weapons) and PS3 at each launch.

Having games as realistic as possible in looks, control and AI is still many developers and gamers dream. To be honest mine too.

Unless the hardware is massively incremented each gen, this dream could be a long way off.

I understand they are obstacles in the way of accomplishing this and comprehend what you mean (bolded bit). I just think "dumbing down" consoles in terms of proccessing power can be even more of a risk.

 


You understand that theres isnt much more that can be done at this point in terms of graphics? To continue selling the industry is gonna have to focus on innovation on its products. Add-on's like kinect and motion controls that add a new dimension to gaming, or Microsoft's projection technology that makes the game look like it goes beyond your TV. Those are the ways the industry can move forward. Graphics detail innovation is hitting a ceiling, its not gonna go much further than what it is now.


the graphic intense games are part of the reason the industry is dying in my view.  All the smaller devs and pubs are trying to keep pace with the bigger guys and they are getting pushed out, but they have no choice but to compete.  So they throw all their eggs into one basket and hope for the best and when it fails they close up shop.  To develop Triple A games is out of control.  When you make a game at 50-60 million the risk is super high unless your COD or a few others.




DélioPT on 11 February 2013

If there´s going to be a videogame crash it`s going to be on the mobile side.
If i recall correctly the biggest cause for the videogame crash was not because everyone bet on the same horse, but because everyone made a ton of bad games and the good ones got lost in the middle.

Bubbles bursting has been happening since NES. Once in a while a genre becomes the popular genre, replacing the old popular genre. It`s nothing new.

Of course, there are other reasons can cause a sharper decline in HA and SW sales, like both HA and SW raising prices once more. Consoles at 400+ and games over 80$/€ at the same time. That`s bound to make a hit a lot bigger than the FPS bubble bursting.



mamec on 11 February 2013
osed125 said:

I don't fully agree with him but he does bring some very interesting points. Do you agree on what this guy have to say?


Another long hair man talking about the same:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYIvQ7yxhog

 

Most statments of both videos can be used in every console generation changing only names.

 

From the last video: Nintendo massive loss, (Sega massive loss). And many unaccurates thinks, like "Atari bankrupcy" is obvious, he didn't know all the history of Atari. Another one: Change THQ by (as example) Acclaim.