What's more, I just don't understand the motivation.  These are people who clearly have little to no interest in buying the Wii U, if they want the best graphics they will need to look to the PC, and if it's 'all about the exclusives', as is so often claimed,  then multiple threads discussing alleged hardware specifcations really shouldn't be necessary.

My only conclusion is that it is purely for the purpose of raining on Wii U owner's parade, which frankly speaking, is a rather sad use of one's time.

There can only BE one explanation....

Insecurity.

system is and weak and pretty much doomed at moment, you want me to suger coat it, i really don't how too, if things change, new infromation is  released on the specs and games start looking much better and sales take off i wll gladly eat crow.

So basically you admit to making a claim with no information?

ninjablade said: .. The whole 'launch game' argument doesn't work any more because the basics of the architecture are no longer completely new, unlike trying to get PS2 games working on very different PS3 hardware. BLOPS and Batman etc. run on similar 320 SP architecture on PC with much better results. How can the same GPU achieve only half as much in Wii U other than the devs being pretty incompetant? Or Nintendo making things crazily difficult (perhaps not such a bad idea if we're to believe devs aren't even told how powerful the hardware is! ) Taking the 360 version of a game and throwing it across to the PC on a card like the HD 5550 results in big performance increases. We've heard from developers on this very forum just how little hardware specific optimisation PC ports get, and yet still games run faster and/or at higher resolutions when you plug in a significantly faster GPU than the 360 has.

These arguments fail to take into account the customizations made to Latte. It's not an off the shelf part, nor standard in design. Hell, these people who you keep saying are the "experts" have photos of the damn thing and they can't even work out what's what.

And this part is very telling: "How can the same GPU achieve only half as much in Wii U other than the devs being pretty incompetant?" 

So far I'd say most devs on Wii U are incompetent, or at least mediocre in technical skill. Or very half-hearted in the resources they commit.

And there's a serious hole in the argument that "not completely new parts" means "no improvement from launch graphics." The Wii was mostly overclocked/RAM-boosted Gamecube parts, and it saw significant graphical improvement from launch; compare Call of Duty 3 to Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3. Compare Red Steel to Conduit 2.

wiiu is selling horrible at the moment, and 2 the system is weak, no matter what you put it, for a  2012 console its extremely weak, we are debating if its more powerful then currentgen, systems that released 7 years ago, how is this system not weak.

curl-6 said: ninjablade said: .. The whole 'launch game' argument doesn't work any more because the basics of the architecture are no longer completely new, unlike trying to get PS2 games working on very different PS3 hardware. BLOPS and Batman etc. run on similar 320 SP architecture on PC with much better results. How can the same GPU achieve only half as much in Wii U other than the devs being pretty incompetant? Or Nintendo making things crazily difficult (perhaps not such a bad idea if we're to believe devs aren't even told how powerful the hardware is! ) Taking the 360 version of a game and throwing it across to the PC on a card like the HD 5550 results in big performance increases. We've heard from developers on this very forum just how little hardware specific optimisation PC ports get, and yet still games run faster and/or at higher resolutions when you plug in a significantly faster GPU than the 360 has. These arguments fail to take into account the customizations made to Latte. It's not an off the shelf part, nor standard in design. Hell, these people who you keep saying are the "experts" have photos of the damn thing and they can't even work out what's what. And this part is very telling: "How can the same GPU achieve only half as much in Wii U other than the devs being pretty incompetant?"    So far I'd say most devs on Wii U are incompetent, or at least mediocre in technical skill. Or very half-hearted in the resources they commit.  And there's a serious hole in the argument that "not completely new parts" means "no improvement from launch graphics." The Wii was mostly overclocked/RAM-boosted Gamecube parts, and it saw significant graphical improvement from launch; compare Call of Duty 3 to Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3. Compare Red Steel to Conduit 2.

that's fine just wanted to show you what they thought.

The Wii U also has more than twice as much RAM as the PS3/360, (which is the primary bottleneck in those systems) and it's GPU might still be more than "a bit better" than Xenos.

You just stated before that they wont release the specs, so you decided to make a claim (ie. Wii being on par with current gen) without any information at all? Why don't you follow your own advice and wait until new information is released, rather than jump out on a limb?

thats fine and all but how does that make it a DC, dreamcast destroyed N64/psx, is the wiiu destroying 360 and ps3, its not even out doing them at the moment.