ITT: we discuss how third parties are followers and not leaders.

Which explains the entire problem in a nutshell. There's not an ounce of initiative outside the big 3.

I think "like games attract like games" is a good way to put it, and the core of my argument.  It's up to Nintendo to establish an environment that attracts a particular audience.  We'll have to wait and see if what Nintendo is doing now is just a token effort.

i agree, look at Ubisoft and AC3DS they cancelled this game with some horrible excuses, although the userbase of 3DS after few months was comparable to Vita userbase after nearly 9 months, so whatever they (Nintendo) do the 3rd parties always find their way why not support them

That would require full reboots for most of those IP's, certainly for Metroid.

i would say that the only company other than the big 3 that has initiative is rockstar. they do have their style but they do try to push boundries, and successfully do a lot of times

I don't think that's true. It's just that if you're going to make a game, you naturally have to consider how much appeal it will have on a particular platform. Rather than assuming that millions and millions of Wii owners are starved for bloody, M-rated fare, the smart publisher or developer would put such a game on the platforms where those types of games regularly sell millions of copies.

Similarly, you don't go all out on uDraw for PS360 or you end up like THQ.

I don't know if a reboot would be required.

All that they would need to do is push the game marketing wise, show the public that this is a game they must have. That's what I was talking about.

Look at the Rayman situation..A game that was developed especially for Nintendo's new hardware, utilizing all the unique gampad features, and what happens? A complete game is suddenly held back several months so it can ported to Microsoft and Sony platforms thus denying WiiU owners the chance to play the game now.

And this is a 3rd party dev Nintendo is supposed to have a decent relationship with, Nintendo have no hope when it comes to 3rd parties sadly.

It's true but it also doesn't really matter.  In business, you get nowhere by yelling out, "it's not fair!"  Both Microsoft and Sony have done the work to attract certain target demographics.  If Nintendo wants a piece of that pie, as they've stated, then they're going to have to do some work, too.

Well i generally agree. It is well thought out and as you can see the conspiracy theories are already in the comments. What i have come to realize is that Nintendo only gamers want third party games but their taste over the years have changed and are met my Nintendo games.

Always saying things like COD is not for us or Red Dead Redemption would not be able to compete with Nintendo games (I know different genre). There are also some fundamentalist and yes they exist in droves in gaming world. These are people who don't want any third party games. You can find some or at least one in these comments.

Another thing i've noticed is that Nintendo loves to keep their customers waiting. They have been asking F Zero for long time. Nothing there. Pikmin was suppose to come on Wii but the entire generation just skipped by. No complaining there from Nintendo fans as they'll buy the next iteration of their console and game. This happens for other publishers too but you can see how negative the outlook is for FF13 versus and The last guardian compared to Pikmin 3.

Nintedo does their own bizzare solutions to accepted gaming conventions. The friend codes were one example. The games you buy on virtual console not being tied to your account but rather the hardware is another. It might work for some but why is there no option for the other.

Another thing is that they really didn't support their best selling home console after its 3rd or i guess 4th year. You have 100 million people who have the console and are ready to buy your games but you got nothing. You push out your mario karts, 2d/3d marios, kirby, a metroid and some others. All great games but what was there in the end. A zelda game long in the making and 2-3 JRPG's customers had to sign petitions to get. That is just horrible.

This not supporting the console with games is why i switched from xbox 1 to PS3. They pushed out Halo 2 (In Wii's case Skyward Sword) and called it a day. In this case though they have close to 4 times the install base to cater to compared to original xbox.

Point is you really got to like Nintendo games or in some cases Nintendo games only to go for their home console as your solo entertainment gaming device. They do take one step forward but two steps back. I really want to support them and i do as they hold a special place in our gaming hearts. They just don't always make it easy though.